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Pillar of the Community
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This situation is my own stupidity for getting too excited about a coin and bidding without checking for PayPal.
Benji I think that is what Houston_guy said ? you know in this life things happen they are not always pleasant to deal with ,,it takes reason tempered by tolerance,,sure the seller may have been inconvienenced but Houston_guy has in reality paid for the coin ,,and has sent the funds for shipping ,,I can tell you right now if this had been my auction the coin would have shipped while I waited for the shipping money ,,if I did not forgive it completely !! I spent 28 years in business for myself ,, I can tell you that return customers kept me alive during the early eighties ,,while others folded around me ,,just something a seller or service provider has to consider when dealing with the public. Metalman |
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Valued Member
United States
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Metal, I agree with you completely. I would have also forgiven the shipping cost, ate the $5 loss, shipped coin upon receipt of MO, and chalked it up as my "good deed for the day." I get frustrated when apparently intelligent people lack patience, responsibility, and common sense. This identical situation comes up all the time and can be avoided with patience and cordial communication (rather than insulting the seller's policy/practices). "I probably made the situation worse by telling him that this antiquated way of doing business belongs to the horse-and-buggy era and, from now on, my policy is NO PAYPAL, NO BID." After the above comment made by the buyer to the seller, I think it is fair to assume the buyer will not be receiving speedy shipping nor prompt responses to email or phone messages. As per ebay policy and certain state laws, the seller has up to 30 days to deliver merchandise after cleared payment. IMO, the buyer(and to a lesser extent the seller) made a bad situation worse. |
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Thanks Metalman! I bought the coin on May 25. I could not have gotten a money order or cashier's check until May 29 because of the Memorial Day holiday. Two weeks of dilly-dally is quite enough. Had this seller accepted PayPal instead of being some cave dweller who demands his money upfront in essentially a cash transaction, he coulkd have had his money immediately and I would have received the coin within 10 days --- and for $4.99 the coin should be shipped overnight! I will from now on deal only with PayPal sellers. As for the seller being inconvenienced, HE HAS BOTH MY MONEY AND THE COIN WHICH HE CAN OFFER FOR SALE AGAIN. Why is HE inconvenienced when I am the one who has to go to the bank to get get him a cashier's check and then wait for the check to clear before he mails the coin?
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Valued Member
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"Why is HE inconvenienced when I am the one who has to go to the bank to get get him a cashier's check and then wait for the check to clear before he mails the coin?"
What did the seller's payment options state? Did you read them? If paypal is part of your buying criteria, you could have refused to complete the transaction and accepted the negative fb, NPB, or whatever other consequences as a result of your oversight. If the auction's payment options include paypal as an accepted payment method and he refuses your paypal payment, then you are not obligated to complete and transaction is null.
An auction link would be helpful, but I think this horse is dead.
Good luck and I hope you receive your coin.
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Valued Member
United States
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No, this topic is not done yet- (1)Breaking a contract is not the way I do business. I am disabled and unable to get out of the house easily; but nonetheless I sent my son to the bank to get the cashier's check to honor the commitment, and he mistakenly got it for the incorrect amount. I then tried to make it right for the pennny-pinching seller by send him the $5 in cash. (2) In the excitement of bidding, no, I did not read the seller's policies because I naively assumed that sellers who do business on ebay do not have a chip on their shoulders for, and mis-trust of, buyers. Unlike Third World countries where merchants consider themselves socially above the customers, in the United States the customers are the bread-and-butter of the merchant and usually it is the merchant who acommodates the customer. I believe we still are in the United States. (3) I posted this topic to educate others about my admitted mistake and to seek advice on what course of action to take (which might benefit all members) and not to be denigrated by someone smugly stating that I lack responsibility and common sense. This "Benji" need not worry that I will inconvenience him or her with any business dealings -- and others might want to take note before doing any business with someone who has such contempt for buyers. NOW THE TOPIC CAN BE CLOSED. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think the topic should be locked before you folks say/write something that will be regretted at a later date.
I am a neutral observer to this and am certainly not taking sides, But Benji, I'm curious why you are taking this so "personal". Houston guy admitted his mistake, is not trying to back out of any payment, and was just asking for advice. Whether or not he changes his searching options is up to him, but it's certainly no reason to get so worked up with comments like
"I get frustrated when apparently intelligent people lack patience, responsibility, and common sense"
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"This could have been avoided if you would have included the S/H in the place. Take some responsibility for your mistakes since essentially YOU have inconvenienced the seller with the delay. Next time read the auction details i.e. accepted payment methods."
I think if you re-read your posts, your point would have been taken without these comments. Especially the second where apparently YOU didn't read his entire post in which he admitted guilt. This is JMO and not intended to throw gasoline on what seems to be a smoldering fire. Just trying to help people out to see how somethings written can be easily misconstrued....
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NOW THE TOPIC CAN BE CLOSED.
Nope. We decide when it gets closed. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks tights24! Maybe it is a generation gap thing. I am 61 years oold and have practiced contract law for a long time. I believe in honoring an obligation of contract even when, as I admittedly did, make an utterly stupid deal. Therefore, I simply do not understand the thinking, if any, of some 25-year-old who suggests I should not have honored the commitment I made in bidding on the coin if I did not like the seller's terms which I read afterwards. To me, that kind of attitude is the epitome of irresponsibility. If we all had that kind of despicable attitude, all commerce would cease because no one could be trusted.
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Valued Member
United States
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In regards to NOT completing the transaction...
I was referring to whether or not the seller's auction stated Paypal as payment option, then refused to accept paypal payment. In which case you would not be obligated to complete the transaction. This is where a link to the auction would have been helpful.
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06/10/2007 5:40 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I mistakenly bid on, and won, a coin from a seller who does not accept PayPal. He demands a postal money order or cashier's check.
From the original post by Houston_guy. Again, if either of you would have read the entire ebay listing/forum topic, none of these posts would have been needed....  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is the exact reason I hate dealing with ebay! You have to read each auction very carefully because each seller has different ways of doing business. I don't fault the seller one bit for not accepting paypal; though, because the fees do add up fast. Benji may have been a bit harsh but he certainly is right! While I do empathize with Houston guy and wish him all the best, I think he should give it a little more time for the $5 to arrive as the Postal Service can be very slow at times. Also, as you admit that it was your fault Houston guy, why not eat the five dollars and send out another five but this time as a money order and not cash? |
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Valued Member
United States
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tights,
"From the original post by Houston_guy."
Houston stated "..and I bought a coin from him in December 2006 when he apparently did accept PayPal and gave him a positive feeedback."
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06/10/2007 6:06 pm
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Valued Member
United States
235 Posts |
ichirenshha- A money order can get lost in the mail as easily as cash. I apologized to the seller for my rash remark about his "antiquated business practices" because I now know about PayPal chargebacks, which apparently result when some people of the younger generation have the notion that it is OK simply not to honor a
commitment once made and nonchalantly accept a negative feedback. As the seller and I have done business before, it will eventually work out.
Nonetheless, I now have my setting to show only PayPal vendors so that this kind of problem can be avoided in the future. I have no idea where Benji was coming from, but he certainly added nothing constructive to this discussion -- an inevitable result when the mouth functions before the brain.
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Valued Member
United States
459 Posts |
I think you did stand up thing with the apology and the situation will probably soon resolve itself.
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United States
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but he certainly added nothing constructive to this discussion -- an inevitable result when the mouth functions before the brain.
Pot, kettle, black. I'm disappointed, Bill - I should think either your age-derived wisdom or your career in law (both of which you've repeatedly cited as proof of your superiority in this thread) would have taught you that the best way to deal with a disagreeable respondent (which your antagonist certainly qualifies as) is *not* to stoop to his level. Reasonable discourse seeming impossible here, I'm pulling the plug. |
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