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Byzantine Billon Trachy Cup Coins

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 Posted 11/06/2013  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
You already have it seems!

The coins arent the nicest but they arent culls either. None of them seem to be billon though. You can see clearly the 2 part minting process with the over laps on some of them.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yeoldecoins to your friends list
I have posted cleaned pics under the uncleaned.....they seem to have come out ok, I was happy enough.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
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I collect Byzantine coin in particular these trachy type. They have a very small amount of silver in they less than .4%. When they first were struck they did have a silver wash but that was soon rubbed off. From your pictures you did and excellent job in cleaning them. They all appear to be of the emperor Manuel I and are fairly common. With full legends and better details these coins could sell in the $40-$50 range each, however your examples are in the $10-$15 range.

I do not recommend that you try and alter the appearance of the coins by chemecial treatment, it is dishonest and could ruin an other wise nice coin. As collectors it is our responsibility to preserve these historical pieces from the past. It is fine to clean the dirt off them as you have already done but not to modify there natural condition.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yeoldecoins to your friends list
Thanks.....I knew nothing about them, but having bought a few a while ago I felt I ought to learn about them (well a bit anyway!) I have been offered 300 other coins of this grade at £5GBP each. I guess this isn't a bad deal then and there may be some rarer types in there, who knows? Sadly the reverses are not so good as the obverse.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yeoldecoins to your friends list
ps. I thought these were billon trachy as they have some silver content?
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 Posted 11/06/2013  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
You didn't do bad with what you paid. Years ago I bought a large number of these at $7 a piece in that lot was one extremely rare coin that paid for that lot and than some. Byzantine coins have been overlooked by most ancient coin collectors, but are now started to take hold. So there value is starting to go up.

BTW they are billon but the silver content is very little as I said in my first reply.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yeoldecoins to your friends list
Thanks, I thought they were billon too. I have 70 others to clean and then I am buying the others I think.....
I was worried at £5 as I see they sell for peanuts on ebay, but I am sure there are a few rarer ones in the 300? I hope there are anyway.
Is it generally the obverse which is better than the reverse, as the reverse is a bit shabby on these. (I mean the emperor portrait side as the obverse......Is this how it works with scyphates?)
Also, can photos be posted on the follow up replies or only the initial post?
thanks for your help.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
No actually that's the reverse. The obverse is either the images of Christ or Mary. You can post before and after pictures. It's best to post one or two coins at a time to get the most replies. We are here to help so don't be afraid to ask questions.

Also check out the Sticky thread at the top of the forum there is lots of excellent information about Byzantine coins and ancient coins in general that you may find useful.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yeoldecoins to your friends list
I guess I dont use quick reply? as it doesn't have a picture upload icon?
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 Posted 11/06/2013  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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I guess I dont use quick reply? as it doesn't have a picture upload icon?

Correct; if you wish to download pictures in a reply, you have to click on the "Reply to Topic" link up near the top centre of the page, or the little tiny "reply to topic" icon (the one with the purple arrow) in the bottom right and top right corners of the thread box.

Or you can post a quick reply, then click on the "Edit Reply" icon above the post in question.
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 Posted 11/07/2013  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yeoldecoins to your friends list
Well, bingo....!
today I have been offered 550 of these, same grade for £1.80 each. Need to raid the savings now without Mrs YOC finding out.....or go on the game? I think I'll take the easy option....
'now where did I leave my red coat and heels?'
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 Posted 11/07/2013  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Wow!, that is an excellent deal, congrats.
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 Posted 11/07/2013  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yeoldecoins to your friends list
cheers........I have to clean them yet and then try to find the best way to sell them , keeping the pick of the bunch for a collection and making my money back or a small profit....
may take a year or two.
The guy is even sending me 12 free to sample clean just to check they are from the same batch as its a different dealer, but he says I can keep them anyway! its a win win I hope...
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 Posted 11/07/2013  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Post pictures of your progress.
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 Posted 11/07/2013  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yeoldecoins to your friends list
will do.....
I love the cleaning the best as its like finding the coin yourself..
I may just start listing them on ebay cheap as a buy it now at say, £8 each or less to recoup my cash.
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