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Bedrock of the Community
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Ill base my post on the assumption youre referring to the bullion eagles. It really depends on why youre buying them. If youre just trying to get one of each date or do an album its not a big deal and now is fine to buy. They really arent a set you do hoping to make money on it during resale in the future. If your talking massive purchases like monster boxes I would say no. Quote: When silver spot bottomed out early in the second half of this year, vendors jacked premiums up royally and largely killed any "getting the most bang for your buck" arising out of lowered spot. In addition to that, availability of ASEs and many other low-premium bullion items went MIA for some time. For a time, but it returned back to normal when it became clear it wasnt just the quick dip the sellers were hoping it was. There were still places where they kept their premiums normal, but at the time buyers acted like it would go back up soon and they could make a quick buck. The more that happens the quicker things normalize the next time around as more people realize the difference between production shortage and actual shortage. Inventory was likely being held back too hoping for the price to recover.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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actually, the best time to be buying silver would be once it has confirmed it is out of a downtrend.
Until then, everyone who continues to buy silver and gold at these levels will find themselves finding out they could have bought more silver with more of their money than at current prices.
Trying to buy any asset as its falling is unwise, whether its 100 dollars or 100,000 dollars, doesn't matter how much or how little you put in, its a losing proposition
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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BTW, Mr Stlspidey asks us is "NOW" (caps are mine, for emphasis) the time to buy. I say with full conviction, right now, is not the time to buy silver. Step back and let a flush happen first.
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Valued Member
 United States
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I am buying for collecting reasons and not investment.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3789 Posts |
Well shoot, if you arent doing it for investment and arent the kind of person who says "oh man I could have picked up more if I knew the price was going to drop" then I say buy some for your collection.
But I am with Mr BB, dont buy a huge box of them and if you are looking to plug in some holes in the collection, you'll be fine.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1200 Posts |
If you're collecting and not stacking in quantity, then presumably you'll be buying in small quantity. If that's the case, then there won't be a giant amount of money gained or lost by buying before, exactly at or after the most perfect of all possible moments in time. If that's in turn also the case, then the potential loss you'll be exposing yourself to won't be catastrophic, so you probably don't need to develop ulcers and high blood pressure worrying about it.
It's just my personal opinion, but... I don't think every hobbyist-level purchase of a couple ounces of low-premium bullion coins needs to be undertaken with the same investment/trading mentality that it's necessary to use when investing many tens of thousands of dollars.
If I had to spend my time worrying about every possible loss as big as the price of a Big Mac, I'd get out of collecting PMs and take up crocheting doilies before I had a fatal heart attack or stroke.
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Pillar of the Community
Japan
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I'll tell you what is on my buy list: 2013 and 2014 pandas 2014 UK year of the horse coin, 1st in a series. Not the prettiest one, but I'm sure these coins will rise in value Different Somalia elephants
Last three months sold about 150 oz of low premium bullion/numiz and replaced it with high premium ones at a rate 1:1. DOn't want to buy any generics, rounds, ASEs, and alike - these coins proved that they are not able to weather the storm.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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well... I agree with Fat Fred. I mean if you are collecting and its small and you dont care where you buy at and dont look at it as investment, now would not be a bad time.
Yet, I darn well know down the road better prices could and will be had. Shoot, who doesn't want to get more for their dollars.
Now, if I was looking at buying 1000 oz of eagles, I would hold off OR find a way to hedge them at least.
Dont get me wrong, I like eagles myself. Heck, I LIKE silver coins. Just I think you take your spots right now when you buy coins going forward.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3789 Posts |
BTW... to me, Bekiz is one of the WISER coin guys on this forum.
This guy gets it, I like everything he said in this post in this thread. Follow him, he knows his stuff.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3692 Posts |
Ok, so you're collecting for pleasure. Then buy at anytime you please. I don't see the difference in waiting. And don't follow someone's advise to buy it on the WAY up, because that's a losing deal. PMs are on sale right now. Just look at a 2 year chart. Best thing to do is research your area's premiums and that's really all that will save you money right now.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Having spent years in trading,and whether it being stocks, currencies, bonds etc one major mistake you want to avoid make if you are buying for investment is buying assets that are falling.
Even more deathly than that is buying commodities that are falling and in downtrends. No one makes money on that (unless you are selling short), and those who been dip buying silver and gold all these past two years, even this year, are in the red and underwater. Those who continue to buy these dips until the downtrend has confirmed that is broken, will also be under water with losses.
What you need to understand is that commodities are based solely on supply and demand. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone else who tries to tell you otherwise doesn't understand how those markets work and has bias. Unlike stocks which have several metrics that can be measured on and valued by various market participants, commodities do not have that. They dont pay a divy, they are no "forward estimates" there is no "p/e" value. Why? Because again, they are about supply and demand, thats all.
Silver and gold are being dumped and pushed aside. Their time came and went. If anything, one should be selling silver and gold into any and all rallies and taking profits. Holding and going full circle is not a wise thing. There is nothing good about the price action in silver and gold. Furthermore, do not expect silver and gold to come back racing up in a short period of time. IT will be a long time before we see those historic highs.
Therefore, an individual who pays a higher price after getting confirmation that a downtrend is over is wiser, savvy, experienced and will not start off in the red compared to individuals who blindly buy because they incorrectly think something is "on sale".
So yes, paying a higher price is the best thing to do. As they say, buy high and sell higher. Might be a very hard concept for many to grasp but it does work, I do it all the time.
I have edited this post to include why commodities are dangerous to buy as they slide and in downtrends.
Edited by yup7676 11/26/2013 2:12 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1200 Posts |
yup -- A little while ago in this thread, stlspidey said "I am buying for collecting reasons and not investment."
Because of this, everything that you just said which followed the words "...if you are buying for investment..." in your opening sentence has no place in this thread. Buying for investment is NOT the subject of this thread, and that makes your whole litany nothing other than aggressive thread hijacking.
You have your own personal threadblogthing where you're free as a bird to preach your gospel without restraint. That should be good enough for you.
Please show a little consideration and respect for others and don't go hijacking other people's threads so you can use them as satellite soap-boxes and pulpits to do your lecturing and preaching from. Thank you.
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Pillar of the Community
872 Posts |
The last time silver was at 18.xx I bought about 270 ounces of one-ounce silver rounds. Its a great invetment, but its one you have to hold on to for quite some time. With a decent sized purchase, you make money based on the rise of silver. So if Silver rises one dollar per ounce, I make 270 bucks on that move. You can do calculations to see that in order to make a decent amount of money you need to invest and hold onto it until it peaks out. Lets say silver goes back up to $32 an ounce, I would make 14 bucks an ounce times 270...or over 3500.00 . THEN I would sell the silver and pocket the cash. That cash would be held onto until silver gets down to near where I first bought it, and I could buy close to 450 ounces with the cash in hand.
Now for rare coins, the word rarity still plugs into the equation. The coins will move some, but honestly, not enough to matter. Some of the common date coins may move significantly, but it all depends on how much capital you have to use, and how long you want to hold onto them.
An Investment is part of collecting...in a way, what your doing is using it to purchase more of the same product, and holding onto it. Now if your liquidating it all, and spending the all cash and NOT putting anything back into it, then, sure, its far from collecting.
Same applies to coin collecting, and basic sales and then upgrading to a higher graded coin. Its a basic investment fundamental, IMO.
There are all sorts of cool looking rounds that can be bought and held on to.
= )
Edited by Collector-Corner 11/26/2013 3:01 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I am buying for collecting reasons and not investment. Quote: yup ... everything that you just said which followed the words "...if you are buying for investment..." in your opening sentence has no place in this thread. I agree. I am moving this to the US Modern Coins forum to avoid further confusion.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4901 Posts |
YUP7676: Excellent comments and "spot" on. ..and Collector-Corner: Quote: The last time silver was at 18.xx I bought about 270 ounces of one-ounce silver rounds. Its a great invetment, but its one you have to hold on to for quite some time. With a decent sized purchase, you make money based on the rise of silver. So if Silver rises one dollar per ounce, I make 270 bucks on that move. You can do calculations to see that in order to make a decent amount of money you need to invest and hold onto it until it peaks out. Lets say silver goes back up to $32 an ounce, I would make 14 bucks an ounce times 270...or over 3500.00 . THEN I would sell the silver and pocket the cash That would have been Jan-August 2010...since you never mentioned selling the 270 ounces and are pining for a $32 rebound I assume you are still holding...and now only show a gain of less than $2/ounce over those 3+ years. I guess that's better than a CD but nothing to brag about
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