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Roman Republic L. Cassius Longinus, Denarius

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 Posted 05/28/2014  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list
All good news then! Congratulations are in order. Hope you will become a permanent fixture on the board!
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 Posted 05/28/2014  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jimbo777 to your friends list
Nice start to an ancient collection.
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 Posted 05/28/2014  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Craig1982 to your friends list
Thanks so much for the replies guys.
I'm reading out grading ancient coins.
Obviously it is off centre, how much does that effect value? Bearing in mind it is cheaper than others of the same type.
What do you guys think the grading is more inclinded to be?
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 Posted 05/28/2014  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list
There is a sticky at the top of the page for grading your coins. You might want to post it there. It looks a very tactile coin.
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 Posted 05/28/2014  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list
to CCF!

The coins looks nice and pleasing and Genuine too. Although I'd say that you could do better with $130.
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 Posted 05/28/2014  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Craig1982 to your friends list
Agree zxcccxz, I've found sold example, some recent, selling for around the $100 and in probably better condition too.
However, I've struggled to find the same coin for less than $300 US on vcoins. I've negotiated the price down a little.
I did find a couple of other examples for around the same price;
http://www.ma-shops.com/chris/item_...2956&lang=en
http://muenzen-shops.de/wendel/item...epa1l0reghc0

I just like the story behind this particular coin :)
Oh yeah and apologies for the perhaps annoying questions of someone new to this hobby. :)
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 Posted 05/28/2014  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augustus1 to your friends list
The prices of Republican coins have increased even more rapidly than most other series. I think $130 is a good price and a better one for that price would be unusual, as would one like that for significantly less. Congratulations on getting a really interesting type!
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 Posted 05/28/2014  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list
Craig, there are no annoying questions. We have all asked them, some like me, recently, others asked them at the dawn of time! Naming no names :)
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 Posted 05/29/2014  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list
Craig!

I agree with the others-- it's not a bad example for that price, even considering that it is through a "retail" seller.

Last weekend there were a couple of nice ones in the NAC auction but of course they sold for considerably more. There is a superb example coming up with Goldberg in a few days... a bit beyond your desired budget though

It's a great coin and I hope you pull the trigger! It would be a fabulous start to your ancient coin collection.
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 Posted 05/29/2014  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Craig1982 to your friends list
I pulled the trigger and looking forward to getting it in the mail!

I've seen some other fantastic examples of this coin. However, the wife holds the purse strings.

I've so far had a rather positive experience with vcoins with this transaction.
So in the future I might branch out and have a look at some auctions sites.

Thanks very much again for the input guys!
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 Posted 05/29/2014  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
and congrats on a nice denarius.
I seriously considered getting on of the types a couple of months ago, and it's still on my list.

like most other coins.
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 Posted 05/30/2014  06:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Craig1982 to your friends list
Cheers mate,

Haha, same, I'm finding now a lot of coins I want . When one comes up I really want I'm sure I can convince the Mrs, maybe.
Another question... NumisBids, has anyone purchased from the auctions on there?
How is payment usually processed etc? PayPal? Bank wire?
Prices seem abit less than retail from vcoins.
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 Posted 05/30/2014  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list
TIF is your best bet when it comes to auctions.
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 Posted 05/30/2014  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jimbo777 to your friends list
Numisbid is handy because it informs you of all the upcoming auctions from the main organisations. I bid at cng quite a lot and they automatically debit my visa card if I win. In theory you should be able to get better deals at auctions than vcoins dealers as of course the dealers want a profit. You do have to bare in mind however the commission you will have to pay at an auction on top of the hammer price and also that the pre-auction estimates are often unreliable. Estimates are usually low to attract bidders.
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 Posted 05/30/2014  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list

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Another question... NumisBids, has anyone purchased from the auctions on there?
How is payment usually processed etc? PayPal? Bank wire?


Numisbids is just a site that shows you most of the upcoming auctions. Sixbid is a similar site.

With both, in many cases you can submit your bid to the auction house via the third party (Numisbids or Sixbids). I've done that twice. Once successfully, and once with a problem. The problem was that it appeared that my bid was successfully submitted to [whatever European auction house it was] when in fact, the bid was rejected without explanation. I did not know it was rejected until after my lot had left the block. It didn't matter because my bid would have been too low.

Whoops, I'm getting off track. Here are the basics:

1. You can submit your bid directly through one of those aggregators (Numisbids, Sixbid). They will submit your bid to the auction house. You will still have to finish your transaction through the auction house if you are the winning bidder, or at least that is how it worked the one time I bid this way.

2. My opinion: it is better to use Numisbids and Sixbid to track coins you may want to buy. But, do your actual bidding on the auction house's site. You have to register with each such firm. It's not a big deal, just the usual name, address, email, password, plus references (other auction firms/coin sellers with whom you've transacted business). I doubt they actually check though because often I've registered and received near-instant approval. Some auction houses require you to state your requested credit; I bet that if you request a high amount they might check your references. I've never requested more than 10k EUR credit and that is well above any amount I plan to spend at an auction.

3. Many (most?) auction houses have live online bidding. Warning: many use Coretech, a Java-based auction platform and it is very buggy. Read Coretech's instructions carefully about modifying the settings or it may not work. Make sure to update JAVA.

4. When you submit a bid in advance of the auction, you are submitting a "secret maximum bid". For instance, if the required opening bid for a coin is $100 and you submit an absentee bid of $200, when the auction opens if there are no other bidders you will be the high bidder at $100. If someone else then bids and bumps it to $110, your bid will automatically be increased to $120 or the next bidding increment... and so on. If the bidding goes higher than $200, you don't win the coin. If it hammers at $160, you only pay $160 (plus the buyer's premium)

5. Buyer's Premium: the auction house surcharge. They range from 12% to ~22%. Read the auction house's Terms and Conditions carefully. Shipping is a separate charge.

6. In general, I believe it is better to bid live. I see nothing to be gained from bidding ahead of time although this subject has been debated here several times and there are valid points to be made on both sides.

Edited to add:

I have bid with CNG, Goldberg, Roma Numismatics, Stack's Bowers, Art Coins Roma, Hirsch, Gorny & Mosch, Pecunem/Gitbud-Naumann, Heritage, CGB, Dorotheum, and maybe a few others. If you have any specific questions about one of those, let me know.
Edited by ThisIsFun
05/30/2014 07:10 am
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