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Two Romans Found...advice Needed

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 Posted 06/12/2014  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
I believe the first to be a follis of Diocletian with SACRA MON VRB AVGG ET CAESS NN reverse.
The second is an antoninianus of Salonina (wife of Gallienus) with SALVS reverse.
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 Posted 06/12/2014  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
what did you use to remove the dirt? just the soak? hit it with a toothpick, if stuff doesn't yield, move to the olive oil and let it set for quite a while and hit it again.
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 Posted 06/16/2014  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list
I just soaked it with water then used a toothpick..
The bottom one actually had a beige sand patina..not sure if it had to be removed or not but it was covering at least 80% of the details...
How much would a coin like that be worth?
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 Posted 06/16/2014  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list
If you've noticed the lass pic.. There seems to be some sort of white dirt on the coin.. It's starting to be more prevalent now.. Any ideas on what that may be?
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 Posted 06/16/2014  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list
It's actually reflective .. I just checked ebay and found the same coin.. Apparently it's a silver bronze alloy... Can anyone confirm? How do I clean it?
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 Posted 06/17/2014  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
'billon' - no. Well, it technically should have a tiny amount of silver in, but you'd never know it. Clean it in DW or olive oil, and be careful with both, they sound like they have weak patinas. The white stuff might be a form of BD.
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 Posted 06/17/2014  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list
I agree with Furius on the ID of the two.
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 Posted 06/17/2014  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list
The coin initially had some beige sand patina..I've cleaned some of it but I'm slightly regretting it because the sand couldve been aesthetically appealing if it was cleaned correctly..
Im also worried that the some of white stuff could be a form of BD if I dont clean it properly...but some of the white spots glimmer under the sun...

Is the Salonina/Salvs coin rare? If so what is its worth?
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 Posted 06/17/2014  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
These coins were produced at a time when the economy of the empire was dealing with rampant inflation and mints throughout empire were running at full throttle. If they were in gem XF condition they might fetch between 50-100 dollars. In this condition they are very common and worth closer to $10.
The value to a 'real' collector is always hard to pin down. The thrill of actually finding something ?
Priceless
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 Posted 06/17/2014  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list
It was almost covered in sand patina..shouldnt that preserve its details?
How can I tell if its in good condition? The details seems to be there the more its been cleaned
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 Posted 06/18/2014  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
The patination will help to protect the surface but the question is how much wear and tear the coin was subjected to before it ended up in the ground (and out of pocket !). The Salonina may well have much more to offer than is currently visible. Careful and slow removal of the encrustation will improve its eye appeal.
The 'whitish' shiney patches are from the silvering which once covered the entire 'bronze' surface. Silvering is of course a good reason to hope for the best. The silver layer was/is quite thin and any remainder on raised areas or open fields suggests minimal wear. You need be patient and soak this piece for many months if not years ! Any harsh cleaning will remove the silver.
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 Posted 06/19/2014  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list
Thank you for the info!
Its coated by thick green patina but now there are lots of scattered shiny white stuff..
So should I soak this in DW for months? Or should I soak it in bowl of olive oil and lemon juice then place it in a pot of water below poling point? The technique is only recommended with silver though but there is silvering it might work..I still dont want to take a risk but theres a beautiful goin under all that crust
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 Posted 06/19/2014  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PhoenicianX to your friends list
and as for the second coin...Is there anyway to get rid of the crust on the emperors face?
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 Posted 06/19/2014  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
What is their weight to the nearest gram, and their average diameter to the nearest millimeter?
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 Posted 06/19/2014  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
If you put it in lemon juice, it will quickly strip off the silvering, so id recommend against that. DW is your best bet for something with silvering. Its very much a patience game.
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