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Having sent ICCS hundreds of Vicky halfs I would say VF 20 cleaned but in fact its a solid VF 30 maybe a tad better
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Having sent ICCS hundreds of Vicky halfs I would say VF 20 cleaned but in fact its a solid VF 30 maybe a tad better It's obvious you are very biased against ICCS. There is NOTHING in those pictures that would indicate the coin is cleaned. Furthermore, it takes a great deal of hairlines for ICCS to even type the word 'cleaning' on their certs. For anyone who has sent "hundreds of Vicky halfs to ICCS" I would expect someone to know better. |
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VF 30. I agree that ICCS is far more forgiving than US TPGs when it comes to hairlines or other abnormalities for that matter.
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VF30
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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VF 20 . ICCS is brutal on Vicky Halves. You need some flash and eye appeal to get a 30 most of the time This is still a pretty nice coin.
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It's obvious you are very biased against ICCS. There is NOTHING in those pictures that would indicate the coin is cleaned. @ Doubleeagle , First off you must be a supper supporter of their work to always rag on my comments about them. you have your opinion as do I .. I'm not biased I'm just telling it how it is based on my exp. having dealt with them for many many years and I still do from time to time. As for the cleaning you say no evidence.. Well once again wrong.. The color is a clear sign that THEY might say its been cleaned...I did not say it was.... Also if you look at the devices you can see signs of dirt ? but the rest seems to have been wiped... Its a great looking coin but I would appreciate if you backed off always attacking my comments.. Edited by artdio
06/21/2014 1:18 pm
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   @Artdio: IMO, you've had more than your fair share of bad experiences with ICCS. Personally, I find them to be a good TPG aside from their choice of storage for coins (Slabs over flips for me). So yeah, the coin graded problem-free and VF-30, and I agree with their grading here. Although I did end up paying a fair bit less than the listed price because the dealer wanted a Draped bust half I had really bad and payed me full retail price for something that I bought for well under retail. My original images were pretty bad and ended up making the toning look uneven, making the coin appear cleaned. Also, because of the lighting issue, the leaves on one side of the coin (Either left or right depending on which way the coin was tilted) appear to be flat, making grade hard. My apologies. Another issue is that, again because of the light, the detail in the hair appears more flat than it is, especially where the hair stops and the forehead begins. It was fun to look on ebay for certified coins of the same date. Looking through the PCGS slabs, I found 2 problem VF's that were graded problem-free XF-40 and a VF-30 that was graded XF-45. It'd be fun to see how most of my Canadian Collection would fare at PCGS. I appreciate all your opinions. -zx Edited by zxcccxz
06/21/2014 1:43 pm
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Much better depth of field on your latest pics. Had these been the first pics, I have no doubt there would have been fewer VF20ers, such is online grading.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Artdio.... I really don't mean to pick on only you. But I have to ask ALL the other posters here....Does anyone think this coin is cleaned? Also, if you think this coin is cleaned, then why aren't you as strict with your coins you list on ebay? What I am seeing from your comments regarding other people's coins graded by ICCS compared to your description of your raw coins listed on ebay is extremely inconsistent and very hypocritical. |
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It's been dipped sometime in its past, but proper dipping is not cleaning IMO or in ICCS' opinion, there are very few Victorian silver coins that have never had a thiourea bath.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
06/21/2014 2:43 pm
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AWWW much cleaner pics, As I said I would give it VF 30 , and based on those I recant my ICCS VF 20 ..
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It's been dipped sometime in its past, but proper dipping is not cleaning IMO or in ICCS' opinion, there are very few Victorian silver coins that have never had a thiourea bath.  I don't really consider a dipping to be cleaning unless it has been overly done. Although I see don't a point in dipping low-grade (Under VF-20) coins. This coin might have been dipped, which is fine because it was a while back and now has evenly toned over. I mean you can't expect a mid-grade 145 Year old coin to have never been messed with even a little. Especially after the mass dipping of coins in the 70's and 80's. It's all about each person's point of view. I think that the graders at ICCS are more adept at grading than I and have more knowledge and experience. Does that mean I blindly "Buy the slab not the coin"? No. But generally I trust their opinions and those of CCF members over others. Edited by zxcccxz
06/21/2014 4:31 pm
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One can hardly believe that a VF coin hasn't been cleaned many times over and over during it's circulating years. Actually it's been rubbed enough to wear it down from an MS to a VF. If that's not "cleaned" I don't know what is (I kidd). Graders really define "cleaned" as per recent/visable marks left on the coin. Reality is that this coin could have been "surface hair-lined" 140 years ago and the through circulation the lines would have eventually disappeared. You clean a brown copper coin and leave it in the sun/weather for a few weeks to have the toning return and mask any sign of cleaning. Does an old cleaning or a dip really matter on a VF coin? I'd say no unless someone recently took steel wool to it or dipped it for 24 hours and killed the appearance of the coin. MS coins are a whole different story.
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nice coin,better than my G4.. lol
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