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1946 $1 Voyageur Silver Dollar Error?

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 Posted 09/14/2014  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Xanonite to your friends list
Yes, definitely a keeper. Most dots are just blobs but that one is the kind they like to put in as a variety or an error. Hang on to it for a while. I would love to find one like that!
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 Posted 09/14/2014  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
We need a way better picture of the dot area and the obverse as well . This coin is very low grade for a dollar , which makes me skeptical. A coin with a dot like that would have been plucked up very early and would be choice AU or better. Probably played with, dot raised from surface metal ? Other idea did you check it for weight and is it silver. Could be one of those 1970's era Lebanon counterfeits. They counterfeited all the key dates and the odd one still shows up. Let us know ? Mark me down as very , very doubtful as to being a real variety from the Ottawa mint!
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 Posted 09/15/2014  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswag to your friends list
lambecolin - Thank you for letting me know the term/reason for this (tentative) error.

thedollarman & Xanonite - Thank you for the comments.

Pacificoin - I'm still waiting for the coin to arrive in the mail (it was an ebay purchase from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, canadacoinstore2014 who had maybe 20+ silver dollars of different dates plus numerous coins of other denominations for sale at the same time). http://www.ebay.com/itm/351164517378 I'll post more details/photos when the coin arrives. Here is a picture of the obverse.

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 Posted 09/15/2014  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
AsWag - I agree with your thinking about pits, or chips, on dies, and how they are transferred to coins.
In Australia, we call them " Cuds".
But, your "dot" looks quite circular - no irregularity is yet apparent, at that scale of enlargement.

So, PacificCoin's point bears consideration, when you get the coin in hand, please try to get us a higher magnification of the affected area ...

In Australia, dots like those were used as mintmarks -
from the 1940s to 1960s, our pennies and halfpennies were minted in both Perth, and on our East Coast.
The Perth coins had a "dot" after the letter Y in penny and halfpenny, as the case may be.
The others had no dot.

I realize that Canadian dollars in 1948 had no need for such a distinction to be made, but could there be some other reason for deliberately placed mark ?

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 Posted 09/16/2014  08:22 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
See the small depression (dig) on the obverse between the Bust of KGVI and the "D"...............now I am even more suspicious that someone played with this coin in the past!
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 Posted 09/16/2014  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
rivet for models etc just like twoonies
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 Posted 09/18/2014  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Colhand1 to your friends list
Could the dot have been added and then the coin worn so that it appears to be a mint mistake?
The coin is very worn yet it (the dot) seems to so obvious.
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 Posted 09/19/2014  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Needs a good microscope to examine if the dot is PERFECTLY round.
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 Posted 09/23/2014  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswag to your friends list
I finally received the coin and too my surprise there was no dot or evidence of it. All the other identifying details (e.g. rim nicks) were the same, so I know it was the coin was the one pictured. I contacted the seller asking for an explanation and I received the following reply...

"Honestly I see the dot, but can't explain it at all. I would of made reference to it if it was there at the time of listing it......sorry, a mystery I guess. Please simply send it back and I will refund as you mentioned, thank you."
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 Posted 09/23/2014  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve123 to your friends list
Extremely odd to have something loose on the lens or coin field that is the same shade. It is what it is, I guess. Would have been nice to be real.
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 Posted 09/23/2014  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
When it comes to stuff like this it pays handsomely to be very , very skeptical.
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 Posted 09/24/2014  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
aswag- so is the coin real?
To bad about the dot but who cares if the coins not real anyway.
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 Posted 09/24/2014  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswag to your friends list
pennyman007: As best I can tell the coin is a real 1946 S$1. It has more eye appeal than in the ebay picture which washed out all the luster/shine and made it look like a dipped coin. I threw it on my cooking scale and it said 24 grams and my plastic calipers make it out to be 35mm which is close to what it should be.

For those interested here is a snapshot of where the dot should be based on the ebay picture...

1946-$1-Voyageur-Silver-Dollar-Error?

and below is a closeup of "the small depression (dig) on the obverse between the Bust of KGVI" that Pacificoin pointed out.

1946-$1-Voyageur-Silver-Dollar-Error?

How the dot got in the picture posted by the seller on ebay is probably going to remain an unsolved mystery.
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 Posted 09/24/2014  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list
A wee drop of water, perhaps? I notice in your first photo that the "bead" has a high-lit spot upper left and a shadowed side lower right, matching those on the devices of the coin itself. It sure looks like part of the coin. Going forward it might be best to ask questions of the dealer if you see big dots or other marks on potential additions to your collection. It's a shame it didn't pan out for you, aswag, I was hoping you had a real find there.
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 Posted 09/28/2014  10:25 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
exactly what I thought a played with coin!
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