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C.M. Coincidence or what? The same coin arrived as a free gift (with another purchase) in today's mail. Sui Dynasty - Emperor Wen (General Yang Jian) minted 581 - 604 A.D.AE23, Wt 2.35 gm. Ref Schjoth-253 Obverse: Chinese Legend Wu Shu Reverse: None   Edited by Topcat7
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That are ancient coins I dont have yet, but very I do like them!
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Plenty of nice coins, but just a note to Quote:
Sui Dynasty - Emperor Wen (General Yang Jian) minted 581 - 604 A.D.AE23, Wt 2.35 gm. Ref Schjoth-253 Whoever attributed that as Schjoeth#253 made a mistake, but no need to complain about a free coin - it is certainly an old Wu Chu. The distinctive mark on Schjoeth#253 is that on the obverse there is only a rim on the right side, yours has also a rim above the hole (have a Schjoeth#253 on hand with the specifics written on it) - my copy of Schjoeth is still hidden in an unpacked box, else I would give you the right number. |
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In an age of credit and debit its always important to have a little cash on hand.  11 mm x 0.61 grams Han China 2nd cent BC to 1st cent AD Wu Zhu Chicken Eye  |
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chrsmat71 What can you tell me about the first coin that you are showing on this post, please?
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In an age of credit and debit its always important to have a little cash on hand The interesting thing about Chinese coinage/currency is that even your tiny coin was still currency early in the 20th century. While it probably wouldn't have been accepted as a single coin (or part of a small handful of coins), it might very well have been part of a string of cash. Those strings were used for slightly bigger purchases and can/could contain any of the (one) cash coins. While the coinage labeled Wu Chu (or 5 Chu - even when the weight was lower than 5 Chu) continued for centuries, eventually came coins up which remind us closely of the so common coins from the Ch'ing Dynasty which started in 1644 and is therefor outside the scope of this forum. The first of those eventuated in the T'ang Dynasty with:  The coin reads (top, bottom, right, left) "Kai Yuan Tung Pao" - Schjoeth#312+ / Mitchiner#3395 (I will be using the old-style naming, if you prefer you can call it 'dong bao') This was a general issue from 621 to 907 and was not specific to one emperor. Those coin with various marks as well, similar to those on the Wu Chus. Later emperors put there name on the coins, actually various names: they choose a reign title and some emperors changed this reign title from time to time. Here the oldest one I have:  "Ch'ien Yuan" (title 758-759) "Ch'ung Pao" - Schjoeth#353 / Mitchiner#3400+ of emperor Su Tsung (756-761) |
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While I don't have any coins from the Five Dynasty period (907-960), I have several dozen from the next one. But I will be restricting myself to only a few coins to show a few points. The Pei Sung (or northern Sung) Dynasty lasted from 960 to 1127. On top of the standard cash, the introduced 2 and 10 cash coins. First 4 coins with different script style (all 2 Cash because of the clearer inscriptions):     Top left is written in so-called "orthodox script", top right in "Grass Script", bottom left in "Seal Script" and bottom right us "Clerkly" script. The top two coins are from Emperor Shen Tsung (1068-1085): "Hsi Ning Chung Pao" (1068-1077) - Schjoeth#542 / cf.Mitchiner#3472 "Yuan Feng T'ung Pao" (1078-1085) - Schjoeth#556 / Mitchiner#3491 And the bottom two are from Emperor Hui Tsung (1101-1125): "Cheng Ho T'ung Pao" (1111-1117) - Schjoeth#638 / Mitchiner#3540 "Hsuan Ho T'ung Pao" (1119-1125) - Schjoeth#659 / Mitchiner#3550 Finally a 10 Cash with an earlier reign title of Hui Tsung:  "Ta Kuan T'ung Pao" (1107-1110) - Schjoeth#530 / Mitchiner#3531+ Note: The one cash coins have roughly 25mm diameter, the 2 cash more than 30mm and the 10 cash 40mm. Edited by Medieval
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One of the competing dynasties were Hsia (1083-1222), here one coin from them:  This one is from Emperor Jen Tsung (1140-1193) "T'ien Sheng Yuan Pao" (1149-1168) - Schjoeth#1078 / Mitchiner#3606a |
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The Southern Sung followed the Northern Sung and ruled part of China from 1127-1279. From this dynasty come the oldest dated coins I have from China, but first:   This coin reads from top clockwise and is a 2 Cash (by size and weight), it also has a crescent mark above the hole on the reverse. "Shao Hsing Yuan Pao" (1131-1162) from Kao Tsung (1127-1162) - Schjoeth#681+ / Mitchiner#3562 Now three dated coins from Emperor Li Tsung (1225-1264): The first reads clockwise like the one above, while the other two read in the standard fashion. Date number is on the back.   "Ta Gung Vin Pao" (1225-1227) Year 1 (1225) - Schjoeth#959 / cf.Mitchiner#3587   "Shao Ting T'ung Pao" (1228-1233) Year 3 (1230) - Schjoeth#969 / cf.Mitchiner#3588   "Ching Ting Yuan Pao" (1260-1264) Year 1 (1260) - Schjoeth#1038 / cf.Mitchiner#3599 |
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The Chin (Nunchen) Tartars where another dynasty after the downfall of the Pei. Two coins from them as well.  Emperor Hai Ling Wang (also known as Wen Yen Liang) - 1149-1161, "Chen Lung Yuan Pao" (1156-1161) - Schjoeth#1083 / Mitchiner#3600+ (Clockwise reading)  "Ta Ting T'ung Pao" of Emperor Shih Tsung (1161-1189) - Schjoeth#1086 / Mitchiner#3603+ (only one reign title) |
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Loving the Chinese washers. I have few more I can add. Keepem coming.
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The Yuan Dynasty (1271-1368) took control over the whole of China. Here one intersting coin:  This is a 10 Cash coin issued by Emperor Wu Tsung (1307-1311) the script is Mongol seal. "Ta Yuan T'ung Pao" - Schjoeth#1099 / Mitchiner#3615 |
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After the Yuan Dynasty followed the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), since this is drifting into the 17 century, only one coin from the first emperor to show the 'lighter' style.  "Hung Wu T'ung Pao" from T'ai Tsu (1368-1398) - Schjoeth#1149 / Mitchiner#3639+ |
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Loving the Chinese washers. I have few more I can add. Keepem coming. Guess you have some rare ones - where are they? Are you sure you want to see all the other dozen of the Pei Sung coins or the more than 100 different ones I have from the Ch'ing (Manchu) dynasty? - But that would need a thread in the World Coins Forum. But I have another group of cash which fits into this forum - your guess what those are? Btw, most of my Chinese coins cost me less than a washer would have cost me Edited by Medieval
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