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Valued Member
Canada
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Wear on second coin definatley looks fabricated.. If naturaly worn in that fashion, the hair right next to the headband, inner ear and top lip should have absolutley no wear, because the high points are intact, this would not allow lower points to become worn from abraision. Every single high-point is lighter than the rest, which leads me to believe a chemical was used, than purposely worn off in choice places. Also the planchet of the coin should be more deteriorated if from that era.
Uncle Luc the New-mismatic.
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New Member
 United States
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Thank you very much for the input guys!! Glad the first one is real! I should be okay to get my money back on the other. It was purchased through ebay and paypal. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1045 Posts |
I respectfully disagree that the second coin is fake. It looks like a genuine ancient coin exhibiting all of the characteristics of a struck coin. The style is perfect and the wear pattern is completely normal.
The painted on patina does make it look a bit odd but isn't a reason to condemn this coin.
Edited by Biancasdad
12/27/2014 03:35 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Nothing about No.2 strikes me as fake. The style is impeccable, it is clearly struck and not cast and I could not find a matcho n the fakes database (and there is a fake BEATA / PTR / Eagle tipped scepter, and its not this one). The way it has been cleaned is a difficult method that is generally frowned upon, but has been executed well.
However, that Saxby is a bit of a weasel, I wouldnt put selling fakes of this quality past him.
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Moderator
 United States
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Victor, will know for sure. He is the resident expert on all coins dealing with Constantine and family. Hopefully he will be along and check it out.
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New Member
United States
8 Posts |
Thanks for the additional info, I'll wait to see what Victor says.
In my searches on the internet, I did come across a few of these coins, and the "VOTIS" in the box of the re was a bit different. Here it is "VOT" then "IS" on the second line. The 2 examples I found had "VO" on the first and "TIS" on the second.
Is there a fake database somewhere here on this forum?
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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The VOT-IS and VO-TIS configurations are both known for this issue. Infact, the VO-TIS issue is listed as R4 (extremely rare) whilst this break (VOT-IS) is listed at C3 (common). If you're interested, the reference is RIC VII Trier 305. Apparently issued in 321 ACE.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with Echizento. There is some doubt about this coin. Victor will know for sure.
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Valued Member
Canada
270 Posts |
Why paint a patina on a genuine ancient coin? Should it not have a natural patina? Any fabrication should throw up red flags and sirens...no need to alter a genuine coin.
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Valued Member
United States
356 Posts |
As we all know certain really good fake coins need actual visual inspection to be confirm as such. Pictures are only worth one thousand words.... So on one hand we have the weasel Saxby, a notorious seller of fakes, albeit usually ones over $100 are his style. The only evidence in favor is that this coin is common, and priced in the sub 100 range, which is usually not a hot ticket for most high volume high end dealers in fakes. Of course at tourist traps and places where $10 is the annual income of a person, then all bets are off and they will sell anything they can fake or not. It looks off to me, but if Victor or Sear said it was real I would accept it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
513 Posts |
First one doesn't have any issues I can see. The second one, if fake, is a pretty darned good fake and definitely not a tourist piece. I've seen many that have that sort of patina and quality so those don't disqualify it. It is clearly not cast. The wear is odd and would cause me to pass though, even from another source, and especially from a person who is known to sell fakes (including very convincing fakes like this may be.)
On the balance I would say that I don't think the coin is fake, thoigh the patina is more likely to be, but I wouldn't be confident enough that it is real to buy it from an unknown source, let alone saxby.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Both coins look ok to me.  You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
1569 Posts |
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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New Member
United States
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Thank you gentlemen, this has been an interesting read! I can tell I have a lot to learn. |
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