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How To Remove Milk Spots From Sml

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 Posted 01/06/2015  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list

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No scratches? I didn't think that was possible.


Cleaned that silver sml this morning I cant see any scratches.

Cleaned a 2011 sml wolf awhile back 80 % milk spots after using the cloth looked brand new.
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 Posted 01/06/2015  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list


If all you want is "clean", bullion sliver, then lots of methods are out there...

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But, in my opinion, this, and the OP's method is sooooo wrong!!

Collector of sliver rounds who seek out the best possible strikes would be foolish to use any of these methods. To the naked eye, maybe they look ok, but under a loupe or microscope the hairlines would be nasty...

Correct me if I am wrong (or urban numismatic legend), but doesn't PCGS have an outstanding reward out there ($25,000) if anyone can show them how to safely remove milk spots, and that reward has yet to be granted?
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 Posted 01/06/2015  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list

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If all you want is "clean", bullion sliver, then lots of methods are out there...


They are only regular sml I like to keep them milk spot free.

I don't have a microscope so it does not bother me if they have microscopic scratches .

Plus I'm in my late 60's can only see milk spots not hairline scratches lol .
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 Posted 01/06/2015  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecurse9 to your friends list
I'm just wondering (it's an honest question)...

If it were to be graded, what would "degrade" a coin more: hairline scratches caused by milkspot removing or the milkspots themselves?

Or maybe the best solution would be to keep the milkspots until a perfect cleaning method is found?
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01/06/2015 1:36 pm
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 Posted 01/06/2015  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
The best way to avoid the milk spots on these things....................don't buy them in the first place. The quality control at the "North Korean mint" is getting dismal! Using a polishing cloth is taboo!
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 Posted 01/06/2015  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list

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If it were to be graded, what would "degrade" a coin more: hairline scratches caused by milkspots removing or milkspots?


Only do this to my sml ( only polished a few )


Would never send a regular sml to be graded a waste of money.
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 Posted 01/06/2015  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
As @yingyang says, if you're a bullion collector and the coins (SMLs etc) you have are just silver value then why not buff them up if it makes you happy? As long as you do it in the full knowledge that you are degrading any numismatic value the coin may have had and, I would hope, are pretty confidant that it didn't have any. @thecurse9, cleaning would decrease the theoretical numismatic value of the coin more than milk spots. But just try selling a higher grade, heavily milk-spotted SML for anything more than bullion.... Even in a TPG slab.
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@yingyang: I understand and I agree with you.

But what would be the impact on the grade of the coin on semi-numismatic bullion (2011 Wolf, for example, which can fetch interesting prices if milkspot-free) or even NCLT?

@kuh_85: Makes sense. Thanks!
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 Posted 01/06/2015  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Has anyone tried the "cloudy ammonia" method mentioned in the video above? I figure that, with a clean Q-tip, might be the least likely to leave hairlines on the coin's surface.
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 Posted 01/06/2015  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yingyang to your friends list

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cloudy ammonia


Is that just regular ammonia with soap added?

So you can just use regular ammonia right?
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 Posted 01/06/2015  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list
Anyone selling "cleaned" bullion /coins/rounds should have to put in a disclaimer ( I believe they have to on ebay )if they are selling them for a high premium such as the wolf round.

I know I would be mad if I paid a high premium for a Canada wolf coin only to find out it was "cleaned " and yes I do look at alot of my coins under a scope so I would see the cleaning scratches.

If it was just regular bullion coins, rounds etc near spot I wouldn't care but it still needs to be disclosed.



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 Posted 01/07/2015  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecurse9 to your friends list
There is an interesting post on the subject on SilverStackers:

http://forums.silverstackers.com/to...te-spot.html
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 Posted 01/07/2015  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
Cloudy ammonia----------------- "Granny Smith's" sudsy ammonia. The results are usually pretty decent, but you still know!
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 Posted 01/07/2015  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scissel to your friends list

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...the white spot/milky blotch stuff is AgCl [silver chloride]...

http://forums.silverstackers.com/to...te-spot.html


Silver Chloride is nearly insoluble in water but if you add enough ammonia it will dissolve.
http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/...ning-silver/

Ammonia has been added to Ottawa tapwater since 1992 in the form of Chloramine (instead of chlorine).
http://ottawa.ca/en/residents/water...on-questions

I have very little knowledge of chemistry, but I wonder if using untreated city tapwater will leave silver chloride precipitate on the blanks when they are cleaned. Chloramine is evil stuff in my other hobby (wine-making) & has to be neutralized with potassium metabisulfite or sodium metabisulfite.
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Doesn't change the value of the bullion....if you collect them...choose from a tube the ones or one thats the best...display that one....spot or no spot I dont really care....ITS BULLION...clean if you want its still worth the same...if you r willing to pay 100$ for a certified maple, thats your thing....but I would not...LOL
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