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1987 Voyageur Proof Like Nickel Dollar With Doubling

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 Posted 01/16/2015  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list


I'll make a note of this, in my files on the series...
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 Posted 01/17/2015  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list
Great SPP, I was looking at the obverse with the loupe and
there is obverse doubling on the legends as well. Not sure
of the significance. Hard to photo nickel, went old school,
tripod and diffused sunlight.

Here are some obverse pics.

In the first picture, the E L I in Elizabeth doubling can be seen.

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Look at the DG REG area in the second photo.

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 Posted 01/17/2015  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Altaira to your friends list
I mistyped "mobile" up there... Really need to proofread when I'm on mobile.

SilverDon, if you have a good loupe, stick it on your camera lens and you can take great closeups. I took this with the help of a 10x loupe, original size without being optimised is 1730x926 px. A bit more difficult with a shiny coin, but I successfully took a few pics of a PL half here so it's not impossible.

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This dollar must be feeling pretty sliced up there are several that goes right through the queen's face.


By the way, here is the error-ref page for Flat field doubling, so you can compare it to your coin.
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 Posted 01/17/2015  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list
Thanks SlurExe97. Tried that with my wife's
phone tonight, would likely be easier in sunlight and you
need three hands; one for the loupe (20X), one to hold the
camera and one to push the bloody button. OK I'm old.
But the pictures are not bad for a rookie.

So I don't know what it means in the grand scheme of
things, both sides are doubled. Machine, hub, field, will
narrow it down with more study.

In this case the first strike is not pushed down to the
level of the field, so not flat field doubling, it has the
characteristics of Machine Doubling. Steps are noticeable,
and the second strike makes the letter smaller by shaving
some off as a result of movement between strikes of either
the planchet or the die.

http://www.error-ref.com/machine-do...e-same-coin/

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 Posted 01/17/2015  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vancouver IslandCoinKid to your friends list
those are good photos, I would be happy with them!
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 Posted 01/17/2015  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list
Not bad eh VancouverIslandCoinKid, have my geology hand lens and a Samsung phone,
seems like a mix of the new and the old. Fumbling around and all thumbs. Should
be an app for a super zoom with those cameras. But not bad in the end. So what
do you think of the error on both sides of the coin. How'd it happen?
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I know how awkward it is to hold the loupe and the camera at the same time, but your photos turn out great! Definitely better than my first ones

Looking through my mobile again now, and I agree the obverse looks like MD.

If you can get pics like these of the reverse too, it would be perfect to determine what kind of doubling it is.
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Reverse Pics here, I think I'm getting the hang of this,
you can see the grain of the coin;

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Why aren't the northern lights lines,
which are right beside the legend,
N in CANADA doubled, chopped, shaved?
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Those are excellent pics, you're getting the hang of it quickly! I'm back on my computer now.

I can see doubling on the 8, second A of Canada, I think they are MD, not totally sure but the 8 looks MD. I'm not sure why it only affects a few elements
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his dollar must be feeling pretty sliced up, there are several that goes right through the queen's face.


SlurExe97, those are rolling marks created on the rolled metal strip, prior to the planchets being punched out... quite common on 1968 dollars.
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I read your article in the CN Journal about it SPP. Didn't know it's common - it's my only one.

I don't want to hijack this thread, so getting back to the original topic. I don't know about the relief of the 1987 PLs, but might the relief of the northern lights be lower than the letters? MD can happen partially only on the higher relief while the lower reliefs aren't affected.
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 Posted 12/14/2015  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list
I'm resurrecting this topic to add some pics I took of the
1987 Nickel PL Dollar with Machine Doubling. It is on both
the reverse and obverse and is quite offset. The crown
jewel nearest the II on the obverse. The denticles on the
reverse and the beads on the obverse are sliced and diced.
I see a bit on the top of the tree on the reverse as well.



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Great photos!!
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 Posted 01/17/2016  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list
So I took some more macro photos of the obverse. Man is
this thing ever messed up. Seeing the doubling in the
crown, QE profile, beads, legends so basically the entire
obverse and the Legends on the Reverse. This was only
distributed in Sets and quite a few were made as the
Voyageur Dollar was substituted for the Loonie in Sets
from 1987. I see 205,000 sets were minted for 1987.

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