Counterfeit Coins Cause For Concern Among Canadian Collectors

TPG companies can guarantee coins are not counterfeit but unless they are out of the slabs or baggies for verification by another TPGCVC "CVC" for counterfeit/verification/company and another stamp on top of that by another TPG specializing in making sure they are okay and another company that will send us some pills to soothe the ulcers from all the extra worry, it may just work out.

3D printing... I wouldn't worry about that. The technology is still very expensive and primitive. I get to see 3D printed objects all day long and if they could print out silver or gold they would instead of casting them. It's not viable ($$$) or reliable yet. Wax, resin, and plastic are expensive for those machines, let alone synthetic gold.

Interesting , looks like a quality product such as a coin is a long way off.

Still has to be made of real gold or silver to fool the XRF machines - and in the correct exact alloy. People don't understand alloys too much, because there are some that are made for rolling and fabricating, and other alloys that favor casting. A synthetic alloy for 3D printing won't cut it because their one standardized alloy will be favorable for "growing" and it won't be polished! The patterns made by a CNC machine leave much to be desired. Good detail takes a long long time, around 26 hours for simple objects and still you have tool marks that have to be polished down. It's not viable yet. Coins are pressed and because of that it is still cheaper to make a die. Pressed means the metal is hard and polished. Your cartwheel luster is part of that. CCF will keep counterfeiters scratching their heads as long as we're educating each other on this forum. And we need appraisal houses in big cities that surpass slabbers' abilities. If we can spot coins that are cleaned, polished, mint state, etc, we have nothing to worry about, especially cartwheel luster which only comes from dies - it can't be programmed into a machine and they would still have to make the die to duplicate the effect. Even making the die from a 3D printer wouldn't work yet for the same reasons. Making a gun that goes bang is one thing but making a coin that will be scrutinized by educated fellows like us is quite another.

Edit: I just thought of this: Instead of making rare coins, why wouldn't a counterfeiter just make wads of $100 bills to 3D print? Makes more sense to me!

I think like everything else technology will eventually be the answer to this dilemma. Carbon dating , computers , digital imaging were all once ideas. Metallurgy will prob. be the answer . possibly done with grading .In the meantime? Reporting any and all counterfeits should be mandatory and laws in place to protect victims.
Pipe dream ? Again ,all depends on the coin and numismatic's community to stay on top of the situation. maybe will be the suffragettes of the new millennium.

THAT would be interesting

I am pretty sure PCGS has their own XRF...

Thanks for the confirmation DBM. Page 301, 2015 Charlton Standard Catalogue Canadian Coins. I'm not as good as Nickel's Guy,

IMHO on the Counterfeit markers,

1. the broken stems reverse as DBM noted.
2. The almost closed C.
3. Both 1's on the date look elongated at the base of the 1.
4. The top of the 8's look enlarged and looses degrees of oval symmetry.