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Right now my leaning is more Greaser than something more solid, but I'm still only a single step past "clueless." |
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What do you think about having it graded. I spent $24 on it as is. Would TPG create enough additional value to justify the expense? |
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This one's heavily brushed and playing on the missing details. I think it more valuable raw in the retail market.
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What do you think fmv is?
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It's a melt coin if we can't come up with something plausible for the missing detail. One possible explanation is all that stuff got ground off manually for some reason. There is what looks like "hair" flowing downward at the back of the head. Is there any vertical dimensionality to that, or is it just an area of different color?
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Ya SD, I was thinking that too because of the pattern to the striations but it wasn't mentioned so I dismissed it. You would think with almost the entire date gone it would have been pulled and hoarded by even the average Joe before it passed through enough hands to look that circulated on the obv? I'd through a few bucks to see what a big 3 would say though if it were mine
*maybe a guy used it with another one putting both obverses together between thumb and fingers rolling the two together as a stress reliever kinda like those Chinese stress balls?
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04/25/2015 8:53 pm
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Hi Dave and Cascade, The area at the back of the head doesn't appear to have any vertical dimensionality to it.   Dave, if I sent it to you would you be willing to look at it closer, or do you know a forum member who would be better suited for the task? I don't mind sending it in to a TPG, but I'd rather not waste money trying to slab a PMD coin. And I just don't have the expertise on error coins in general to know the difference well enough to differentiate between the two. Thanks you guys! |
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Well that shoots my theory of coin rubbing out. I missed that, doh. I still don't like the look of those hairlines or the way they jump the devices like that though. That said I am only an intermediate and this requires an expert level diagnosis.
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And I just don't have the expertise on error coins in general to know the difference well enough to differentiate between the two. In truth, I don't think we're going to get to be sure about it. There's sufficient evidence of hard brushing on the obverse to make a strong case for someone trying to smooth over serious PMD, and any prudent evaluator is going to factor that possibility heavily in their opinion and come down "undecided." The more I look at it, the less I'm sure. You got some really nice images on my point about behind the hair, but the area around the E is still a big question. I just don't know what to think. I'm leaning toward someone dropping a bunch of solder onto it to try and do some sculpture and then trying to remove the result. And honestly I don't think I could do any better with it even holding it in my hand. We could beat our heads against it until we were all bleeding, and not come any closer to certainty. It's probably best left as a head-scratcher. |
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You got some really nice images on my point about behind the hair, but the area around the E is still a big question Thanks for the compliment. I could probably do better if I used my wife's Nikon SLR, but my smartphone does ok! Here are some shots of the 'E' area.    |
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The thing that wants to be noticed is how the toning propagates around it - *something* altered the metal there so it didn't tone.
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Good pickup dave, I'll go one further and now I'm 90% sure of alteration... look at the rim toning behind liberty's head, it skips from solid to fade to solidish again and you can see how the fade was as strong as the top. And follows the theory and pattern of the bottom obverse being messed with. Actually since the beginning of me writing this my suspicion has grown to 95%. I hope I'm wrong though matt
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Um, I don't think there's much question it's been messed with....  |
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I think I might just throw it out on ebay and see if I get any takers. I am still not sold on it being completely PMD, it still "looks" struck through in hand. |
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Quote:I am still not sold on it being completely PMD, it still "looks" struck through in hand. Nor I, but much of the evidence has been destroyed, I think, and that's evidentiary in itself. |
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