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1837 50c - Fake? Or Genuine?

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 Posted 05/02/2015  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
That one is glorious. But read the description carefully, because the seller is an honest man and a sharp numismatist from the sound of it.
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 Posted 05/02/2015  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rynegold to your friends list
"That one is glorious." Glorious good? or bad? First or second coin in my post?

So is it/are they good coins? As for the latter, I've looked on Heritage and find that the # of denticles from one feature to the next, (like the tip of the uppermost arrowhead, to the tiptop of the "A" in America is certainly not the same. And I realize there are "small letters" and "large letters" on this type; they speak of the letters on the reverse no?

edit: the stars on the obverse seem so poorly struck! A common trait for the 34? I ask as I found this:

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/Coin/Detail/6166

1837-50c---Fake?-Or-Genuine?
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 Posted 05/02/2015  09:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thundercoin to your friends list
Yes they are both authentic coins (to my eye). The 1834 has had a light cleaning according to the detailed description. It still as a stunning piece that I am sure many on this forum would love to have!
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 Posted 05/02/2015  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list
That 1834 is choice!
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 Posted 05/02/2015  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list

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, I've looked on Heritage and find that the # of denticles from one feature to the next, (like the tip of the uppermost arrowhead, to the tiptop of the "A" in America is certainly not the same.


At the time the these were made, the legends and stars were manually punched into the dies leading to variations in placement. Al Overton wrote THE book on early half dollar varieties that is still in use today.
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 Posted 05/02/2015  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
That 1834 is hairlined by the seller's own admission. In-hand, it will be beautiful except from one lighting angle, at which you will wish you hadn't bought it.
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 Posted 05/02/2015  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
I believe the first one you posted is being sold by a CCF member.
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 Posted 05/02/2015  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Yes, it was, and in my opinion he just took a beating on it. I'm sorry to see it.
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 Posted 05/02/2015  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rynegold to your friends list
"Yes, it was, and in my opinion he just took a beating on it. I'm sorry to see it."

But you have to admit; his pix were terrible! How can you get good $ for a coin if buyers can't see it well enough to make an educated decision concerning max bid?

I'm going to start a thread concerning photography... it's critical to selling online and is (unless I'm missing something!) rarely addressed.
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I'm going to start a thread concerning photography... it's critical to selling online and is (unless I'm missing something!) rarely addressed.


The magnitude of what you've missed can't even be calculated if you're thinking it's rarely addressed. But do feel free to open a thread with your thoughts on the matter.
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 Posted 05/03/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Imthealphaomega to your friends list
Yes the 1837 was sold by me. I don't have a fancy camera to take super detailed photos. I am selling coins from a local friend of mine who is a dealer and is getting older in age and doesn't have the customer base to sell his stuff anymore. He gets practically all the money I get like 10% of the sales. I only have my droid moto x camera at my disposal. I try to wait to take photos with good natural light. These coins aren't mine....with the exception of some early Morgan's the rest are his. He has bought everything from damages to cleaned and I am helping him sell excess supply. If you saw how much he has in his basement you'd want to help organize and sell excess stuff from 50+'years. I put up more Indian cents and some other stuff in ebay. I do honestly try to do my best with photographs but I can only do so much. I also put up a 1836 cleaned half too.
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 Posted 05/03/2015  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rynegold to your friends list
Ah... phone camera; that explains a lot. so yes I can see what your up against.

xshift: do you have a good thread somewhere going already that discusses good/better cameras? equipment? I'll just go and read it if so.... All I'm after is "what to buy" to get a good job done. Like Imthealphaomega's friend, here at 61 I have a lifetime of coins to sell. Saturday I weighted a large plastic bin of Morgans on my bathroom scale and it came in at 73 lbs. Thats just one bin.... I need a camera! a good camera!
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But you have to admit; his pix were terrible! How can you get good $ for a coin if buyers can't see it well enough to make an educated decision concerning max bid?

I'm going to start a thread concerning photography... it's critical to selling online and is (unless I'm missing something!) rarely addressed.


First, those pics were more than sufficient to form an educated opinion regarding grade and condition. I don't care for the background, but more than enough photographic information was there. They're pretty good pics. This is a place where you obviously can expand your skills.

Second, we have a dedicated Photography Forum, and I have been preaching the photography angle in this space for a decade. In fact, if you cyberstalk my posting record, you will see me having mentioned it thousands of times in the context of evaluating a coin posted for grading.

Chances are he got the price he did because too few who know the series were bidding. The Mint was implementing new technologies - reeding and the steam press - in that era and strike quality could vary widely. People were likely scared away by the lack of denticulation on the reverse. And those people obviously didn't look at it in the context of the relatively-little wear on the rest of the coin, nor did they consider that coins wear on both faces at once. The minute I look at that reverse compared to the obverse, it becomes plain that the reverse is a problematic strike. The obverse is XF-ish. How could the reverse have worn more?

Frankly, the coin's ceiling is maybe $125 or so, so the beating wasn't that severe.
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xshift: do you have a good thread somewhere going already that discusses good/better cameras? equipment? I'll just go and read it if so.... All I'm after is "what to buy" to get a good job done. Like Imthealphaomega's friend, here at 61 I have a lifetime of coins to sell. Saturday I weighted a large plastic bin of Morgans on my bathroom scale and it came in at 73 lbs. Thats just one bin.... I need a camera! a good camera!


No one thread is going to address all that, but there are plenty separate ones to be had. As Dave said, take a gander through the Photography section. There are years' worth of posts from how to get the best lighting to where to get the cheapest lenses to play with, to what sort of cameras are best and what their settings should be. Axial lighting, sunlight, other lighting methods. You could spend days in there making a list of pointers and shooting methods. Once you've read a bit, if you have questions you can certainly open a thread with them and get plenty of suggestions.

A phone camera can get excellent photos, you just need to play with the settings and lighting.

If any of you were in my area I'd be happy to help set up for photography, especially if I got to see large bins-full of coins while doing it. I love trying to get the best images, even tho it ends up hurting my back after a while It's the tedium of rolling through a hundred or so, taking 4+ each specifically for sale on ebay that gets to me.
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 Posted 05/03/2015  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list

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I do honestly try to do my best with photographs


You're doing fine! On a scale of ebay coin photos - an easy 9!
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