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Pillar of the Community
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IMHO you were not robbed. I do not see this as a cameo. But I know little.
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Rest in Peace
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The obverse looks like it may be borderline.
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Bedrock of the Community
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That looks right on the edge to me. Portrait may be just a little bit too shiny. You could always send it to PCGS on a cross-grade and see what their opinion is. Super awesome looking coin, either way, and for that price, I don't think you got robbed at all.
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Pillar of the Community
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 that is a fantastic coin and I will take it off your hands for PF-67 prices any day! But really that coin looks cameo to me. That must be frustrating. |
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Thanks for the second opinions all. It seemed frustrating but just wanted to be sure that my evaluation skills weren't way off. It seems that there are enough "borderline" votes to warrant a tightening up of my criteria before sending off to get graded. Looking on the bright side, $25 isn't bad at all for this coin so thanks for pointing that out paralyse. I might consider the cross grade though ha-ha.
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Pillar of the Community
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I'd pay $25 for that coin! I hate to say it, but try PCGS for grading... Or sell it to me  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
As a side note, PCGS has less strict guidelines for FBL designation than NGC.
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If I send it to PCGS do I leave it slabbed or break it out?
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Bedrock of the Community
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When did NGC first start using the CAM designation?
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Bedrock of the Community
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NGC started in the late 80s if I remember and I have seen some earlier 90s NGC holders using CAMEO and W CAMEO (White Cameo, what they now call Ultra Cameo) but the word was always spelled as such and not abbreviated. ANACS used to grade certain very nice Morgan dollars as "CAMEO DMPL" in their early slab days post-photo cert. Edit: If you cross it to PCGS, leave it slabbed. NGC and PCGS have an arrangement as such. If you are sending it anywhere else (ICG, ANACS, SEGS) it's got to be cracked out, which is why PCGS was suggested. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
08/11/2015 8:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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So a W cameo = ultra cameo?
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Pillar of the Community
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Everytime I come to this page I can't get over what an awesome coin it is  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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To clarify, the current Proof tier setup for NGC is Cameo -> Ultra Cameo. W was only used on some older NGC slabs, and it indicated that the coin had no toning, "white". It had no real relation to the "level" of Cameo contrast/mirrors, but you could have a W designation on a CAMEO or ULTRA CAMEO coin for a short time. If you look hard enough you can find examples of these slabs still out there.
(There was also a comparatively rare T grade for toned coins that was only used for a couple years before someone realized that you didn't need a designation to see that a coin was toned...)
The W/T was discontinued in the early 2000s and NGC switched to +/* designations.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
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Yeah, those "W" (White) designated NGC slabs are hard to find. Just saw one on ebay go for quite a premium recently. |
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Posted 08/11/2015 08:51 am
