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Mmns Grading? 1826 Classic Head Half Cent MS-62

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 Posted 08/25/2015  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add streg2 to your friends list
I have seen the guy set up at shows in Michigan. BUT have never seen his slabs in anyone elses cases, does that tell you anything?
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 Posted 08/25/2015  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I guess if you're reaching for something nice to say you might note they have the longest certification number known to man.
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 Posted 08/25/2015  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Guy to your friends list
Bob did move his business to Florida some years ago and shortly there after shut down operations.
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 Posted 08/25/2015  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
In other words, a blatantly illegal auction.
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 Posted 08/25/2015  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list
I'd say AU details, cleaned.
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 Posted 08/25/2015  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Definitely cleaned, the color is unnatural.

Seller has sold lots of coin related items but this is the first "MMNS" slab that I could find they have sold at least looking at recent sales.

If I had to guess I'd say that seller bought it and is trying to dump it; this screams of a details coin crackout and reslab.

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 Posted 08/25/2015  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DeodatusAlp2002 to your friends list
Another illegal auction.
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 Posted 08/26/2015  04:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add streg2 to your friends list
Ok I'm missing something. Whats illegal?
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 Posted 08/26/2015  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Not illegal - there's no violation of law here. The auction MAY violate ebay's Terms of Service (TOS) the contract between the seller and ebay that limit usage of numerical values of grade from unapproved TPGs. The problem there is that the TOS itself is unclear, requiring both a full front/back picture, plus not listing various unapproved information.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies...rstamps.html



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 Posted 08/26/2015  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Illegal by ebay's rules, obviously, not US Statute. Otherwise I'd have quoted the statute. Their rules are not equivocal regarding the description of coins in third-world slabs.
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 Posted 08/26/2015  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add streg2 to your friends list
Ok Thank You for the clarification.
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 Posted 08/26/2015  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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BUT have never seen his slabs in anyone elses cases, does that tell you anything?

Yes, you aren't looking closely enough. I have seen these slabs in other dealers cases in the past. Of course now that MMNS has been out of business for over five years now these slabs are seldom seen now.

The firm did have one innovation which unfortunately didn't save them. Their Halo slab incorporated an edge mirror that allowed you to view the entire edge of the coin when you were looking at the obverse, the whole 360 degrees. They came out with this before NGC reintroduced their Edgeview slab, and before PCGS came out with their pronged holder. So they beat the two big boys to that idea, and they showed the whole edge, something the top two services still can't do.
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 Posted 08/26/2015  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ProfLiz to your friends list
I took the chance on one of these, also a Half Cent in MS63. It was uncirculated details, but had major scratches. Never would have straight graded at the Big Three. I was not impressed.
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 Posted 08/28/2015  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noD to your friends list
I ran into a guy at a small Rockford MI coin show last month selling all MMGS slabbed coins. Dozens of them. He had a 1831 CBQ in mid AU (my grade) but wanted $3600. MMCG grade MS63. Ouch!
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 Posted 08/28/2015  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BStrauss3 to your friends list
Truth - I saw TWO examples in cases at the ANA show this month!
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