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Thank you. Neat to find! Every so often, an old blind hog finds an acorn!  This was in a bag of coins from a bank counting machine I bought just today! Edited by Pete2226
10/12/2015 8:39 pm
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Actually, now that I look at it again...the entire area within the crack appears to be above the field.
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Good one Pete. Congrats. Edit: The area on one side of the crack is a different level than ths other side right? If not, and in the absence of horizontal displacement it is not a Retained Cud. Jmo Edited by CoinMasters
10/12/2015 8:47 pm
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nice find!  Super cool that its a Dime! |
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Congrats then,great find pete!
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I would agree that it is a Retained Cud, with vertical displacement. If you will contact me at cuds-on-coins.com and let me know if you want to list it on that site. BJ Neff |
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Thank you. B J. E-mail sent with images attached.
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I consider these rim-to-rim die cracks. There is no major displacement to suggest there is a portion of the die broken away and just retained in place by gravity. You can even have what appears major displacement vertically and horizontally and still not be a Retained Cud by the strictest definition that suggests the piece of die in question must be separated from the main body of the die. Below is a die I own that has a major rim-to-rim die crack that shows both horizontal and vertical misalignment but is fully attached to the main body of the die. In this case it can only be called a rim-to-rim or what some call a pre-cud die crack. The same is true of over 99% of the coins now called Retained Cuds.     Edited by koinpro
10/18/2015 11:44 am
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 100% with Ken. The area on the legend above "U & N" remain perfectly symetrical above & below the crack, leading one to believe it is just that. |
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Quote: The same is true of over 99% of the coins now called Retained Cuds. I guess that shoots a rather large hole in that section of the Cuds on coins site!!  |
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Quote: You can even have what appears major displacement vertically and horizontally and still not be a Retained Cud by the strictest definition that suggests the piece of die in question must be separated from the main body of the die. Does this mean that the only way to provide a certain attribution of a Retained Cud is to be able to examine the die itself? |
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Actually some are so far off that you can be reasonably sure. Problem is there are many being listed as Retained Cuds for which no actual full blown Cud is known. In these cases it's safe to assume that most of them really were not Retained Cuds. I'd prefer to see a terms like Pre-Cud in use and only when a full blown Cud is know. Beyond that they should be called Rim-To-Rim die cracks. Edited by koinpro
10/18/2015 5:38 pm
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Yes, Ken we talked about this before. If the definition of a Retained Cud requires major displacement on the coin as proof of separation on the die, the OP's coin is a Pre-Cud Die Crack. That's okay, it's still the same nice piece, just more accurately named. I am always down for calling a horse a horse. Would you mind posting a picture of a Retained Cud that barely qualifies for the name? Then we will all have an idea of the minimum displacement required for a Retained Cud. BJ, if you are in agreement to this definition of a Retained Cud, then maybe you'd like to add "Pre" to many of the coins on your site, or change some names to Rim to Rim Die Cracks. The whole issue would be resolved. If you are not in agreement perhaps you would like to present your side of the story, and we could all make up our own minds. I think most serious collectors like to deal in precision. A horse is a horse of course of course. Edited by CoinMasters
10/18/2015 9:19 pm
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