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Tarentum AR Nomos

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 Posted 10/28/2015  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
South Italian coins are my favourite ones .With the Sicilian,it are for me the most beautiful Greek coins .Of this type -the horsman of Tarentum - are many types , see Arthur J.Evans , The Horsman of Tarentum , free on internet.My coin dates ca 281-271 BC.albert


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 Posted 10/28/2015  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arael to your friends list
I don't know the exact story of the coin, but given the imagery of the dolphin and the grape cluster I'm guessing it's related to Dionysius, but that's just my speculation. It is a really lovely type, so lovely that I think I may change my avatar for the first time in a long while. I'm overjoyed with this coin.
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 Posted 10/28/2015  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arael to your friends list
Also I'm with you david, the prices on these fluctuate wildly. I searched for a long time before I found an example I was willing to buy.
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 Posted 10/28/2015  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
I would rule out the Dionysus theory since each of these coins has a different symbol (yours has grapes but they come with owls, hawks, helmets, amphora's, bulls heads, ears of corn and all sorts of things) The story of Troilus might fit it quite well date wise.

From Wiki:
"Troilus is an adolescent boy or ephebe, the son of Hecuba, queen of Troy. As he is so beautiful, Troilus is taken to be the son of the god Apollo. However, Hecuba's husband, King Priam, treats him as his own much-loved child.

A prophecy says that Troy will not fall if Troilus lives into adulthood. So the goddess Athena encourages the Greek warrior Achilles to seek him out early in the Trojan War. The youth is known to take great delight in his horses. Achilles ambushes him and his sister Polyxena when he has ridden with her for water from a well in the Thymbra - an area outside Troy where there is a temple of Apollo.

The Greek is struck by the beauty of both Trojans and is filled with lust. It is the fleeing Troilus whom swift-footed Achilles catches, dragging him by the hair from his horse. The young prince refuses to yield to Achilles' sexual attentions and somehow escapes, taking refuge in the nearby temple. But the warrior follows him in, and beheads him at the altar before help can arrive. The murderer then mutilates the boy's body. The mourning of the Trojans at Troilus' death is great.

This sacrilege leads to Achilles' own death, when Apollo avenges himself by helping Paris strike Achilles with the arrow that pierces his heel."


If I had a few quid kicking around at the moment (which I don't) I think I could do worse than this one: http://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/kla...Default.aspx

I will add it to my watch list in case the lottery is favourable...

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10/28/2015 5:27 pm
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 Posted 10/28/2015  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list
Outstanding coins, Arael and Albert. Congrats.
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 Posted 10/28/2015  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arael to your friends list
That's a very interesting example david, very stylized, I like it. Here's to wishing you the luck that you can get It one of these days! And thanks Bob!
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 Posted 10/29/2015  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
Taras is the son of Poseidon and the nymph Satyrion , and the mythological founder of Tarentum,in Greek texts Taras .The name Taras on the reverse of this coins indicates the person Taras and the city Taras in the same time,one of rare exemples I know the city name is not in the genitive as Athenaion (from Athens),Syrakusion (from Syracuse)...albert
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 Posted 10/29/2015  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
Oo good info Antwerpen...

SO the reverse is Taras?

Wiki says " Taras was rescued from a shipwreck by a dolphin sent by his father. The city, located on the site where he was brought ashore, was named in his honor. The horsemen, who range from boys to youths, nude to armed, are engaged in a wide variety of activities, possibly alluding to the many equestrian athletic events held at Taras.

Said to have traversed the sea from the promontory of Taenarum to the south of Italy, riding on a dolphin, and to have founded Tarentum in Italy where he was worshipped as a hero."

So the horsemen refer to whom? Am I way off with the Troilus theory? How far was Troy from Tarentum? The trouble seems to be there are lots of references to Troilus, but Homers full story was lost and the only stuff that is known is through brief references to the story in poems and other authors works.
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 Posted 10/30/2015  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
Troy is situated in Asia Minor near to the city of Canakkale in Turkey.It is on the beginning of the Dardanellen ,wich makes the junction between the Egeian Sea and the Sea of Marmara.I don t know how much km or miles it is , but in the middle of the sixties I took the boat from BRindisi to Patras : 1 day and I think you are there in the middle.albert
ps: sorry but I dont know the exact English names .
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 Posted 10/30/2015  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
I just looked at a map... I see its not far. Troy is to the East o the same latitude, just need to sail around the tip of Greece which is in between the two.

I love these old stories...half myths but perhaps based on some truths too. Hard to like the coins and not be interested in the subject matter too.



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 Posted 10/30/2015  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
what do you call not far , it is on the same latitude , but don t forget in the Antiquity , the boats followed the coast and were never far away from the coast.The small boats didn t sail very fast
,so I think they spended several weeks before arriving in Troy.Anyway , faster than Odusseus who spended 10 years to go from Troy to Ithaka (near Korkyra).albert
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 Posted 10/30/2015  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
Yeah, when I say close I don't mean I could swim there...

I mean close enough the two places would have had regular trade and exchange of information between them...

I felt so sorry for Odusseus's dog when he finally made it... he ignored the poor creature so it took itself off to die :(
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 Posted 11/01/2015  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
see what I found on internet.albert

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 Posted 11/01/2015  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list
Great stuff... thanks Albert I finally know that it is merely a generic horseman rather than someone specific.

It bugs me when I see a coin "Head of diademed female left" and it has been lost to history who it actually was, so I always ask questions.

I will try and find out more about Phalanthos now, thanks :)
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 Posted 11/01/2015  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list
Phalantos is the mythical founder of Tarentum.
I do the same as you , I try to find everything about my coins,to have correct transcriptions and tranlation , exact dates...albert
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