That Jar Guy Again

I want to know how it is "sealed" it is a bail type mason jar that is clear so it is not that old.

"All you ever never wanted to known about Mason jars" -- by me

Roundman, Mason jars were clear from the 1860s on; Ball was the first company to use the aqua glass in any great quantity, with the zinc-lid/porcelain insert shouldered jars. Atlas jars with the wire bail and glass lid were clear from the 1870s through the 1920s. The wire bail is called a "Lightning" closure and was actually patented as such. The fact that the glass is clear does not mean that the jar is "not that old." The truly old jars were very rarely seen in other colors such as honey amber, lead red, olive, and even cobalt blue.

If you want to know how old the jar is, look and see where the mold seam (case seam) on the side of the jar stops. If it stops at the shoulder, and the neck is a separate piece fitted to the rest of the jar...1860s-1880s. Mold seam goes up to top of jar: 1890-1900s. Seam goes over lip of jar: 1910s. No mold seam: Late 1910s & newer. Screw top glass lids were used until 1870s; then came the Lightning (wire bail) seals; then zinc lids with porcelain inserts in the early 1900s, finally regular screw-on lids made from steel or (after the 1960s) aluminum. The rubber gaskets that seal the lid to the bottle on some jars date those jars to the 60s or newer.

A very, very early jar will usually be a three-piece mold (seam stops at or below shoulder) with a very rough pontil scar on the bottom (where the punt rod was attached to the bottle.) Occasionally you'll find them with attached lips as well (the bottle was only made up to the shoulder, and then the lip above the shoulder was blown, hand tooled and attached to the rest of the bottle.) They're usually plain but sometimes had embossing done via "slug plate" or simply hand blown lettering attached to the outside of the jar. If you run across these, outside of glass collections, prices start at $100-$200 and top out north of $5k for rare early examples in rare colors that were produced in very limited quantities.

Most 19th c. fruit jars are round with tapering shoulders. The "Square Shoulder Mason" was patented by Ball in the early 1900s. Modern mass-produced jars often don't have a shoulder at all. (the lid is slightly larger in diameter than the bottom of the jar.) Also, many fruit jars from the 1860s to the 1920s will show some degree of imperfections (bubbles, seeds, rough spots) and "case wear" - evident friction on the outside of the jar, scratches, rub marks, etc. from the mold or from handling afterwards.

Now you know :) A little non-numismatic education from one of my "other" hobbies.

Very interesting paralyse!

Many years ago I listed a bulk lot of nickels in a jar on ebay. They were all dateless and I advertised them as such. Rather than count them I was selling them by weight. Well, despite my best attempt to package them securely, the jar broke in shipment. Can you imagine having to separate over 1200 nickels out of slivers and shards of broken glass? Boy, did I feel stoopid! The only reason that guy didn't neg me was I offered him the moon not to - or he was incredibly nice. I offered full refund and keep the nickels. In the end he kept the nickels, let me keep the $ and didn't neg me. Lesson learned. Never ship coins in glass jars!

I guess I'm going to play devils advocate here.
People overpay for coins,guns,toys,houses at auctions all the time.
If these people gave good feedback then it's obvious they are happy
or at least ok with their purchase.
I also know a guy that bought one of the jars like this.
He tallied what he could sell the items for on ebay realistically
And it ended being worth about 1000...he paid 1200 for it... doesn't sound like much more than dealers overcharge sometimes.

1873-CC Seated dollar mintage: 2,300

1873-P Seated dollar mintage: 293,000

My gut say it's a Philadelphia.

At least he doesn't claim it to be an 1873-S Seated dollar

-MV

I'm sorry but you guys should stop worrying about this so much.
That Seated Liberty dollar is probably a Philly coin and it is 100 percent authentic based on what I can see with 15 years knowledge of them.
With all the fakes on ebay I fail to see targeting this guy is worth it, no matter if what you think his moral character is.

I disagree based on the fact that it is an auction, whether it is live or ebay.
I went to a live auction... they sold a gun that was basically worth about 150 dollars as a parts gun... it brought 600 dollars because at least 2 people wanted it.
Now maybe they were uninformed or new to the pitfalls of collecting guns but the auctioneer didn't say whether it was a parts gun or pristine.
Its up to the buyers to do their homwork, not up to some coin forum guy to decide what is right or not.
from what I could see.. that jar had probably 600 to 800 dollars in coins there. So the seller still was taking a risk starting it at 99 cents.
Now what if the jar was opened and had more value then what you paid.... would you refund some money back to the seller?
Have you ever bought anything at an auction and overpaid for it... call it lesson learned.... I don't think it's right.... let's put it this way bobby.... I would like it if you got every penny shotgun roll with a fancy coin on the end yanked.... those are no different sir and they also prey on the uninformed as you say.