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June Torex Auction Errors

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 Posted 07/09/2016  12:55 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
I feel really bad for the person who bought these coins in the same auction... I don't think they are legit errors. They look nothing like double struck coins. First thing that caught my eye was how on earth does one get a rim feature, well inside the planchet (you need the collar die to do that)...

http://cnc.forwardsim.com/auction/1...tion/lot/426

http://cnc.forwardsim.com/auction/1...tion/lot/427
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 Posted 07/09/2016  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list
The 1963 is not possible. first strike would have to be an off centre counter brockage .

This is true, the collar edge would not be present if indeed the first strike was created from a die. (Also looks like multiple counter brockage strikes on reverse) and if in fact The first strike(s) were a counter brockage(s) -- the details have to be larger than the devices a die struck coin of this issue would exhibit..

the obverse, the underlying letters from a first strike are too small, (by too small I mean smaller than letters on a nickel!)and the first strike is some what centered compared to first strike off centre reverse. Also The devices still present from the first strike should be flat or obliterated. But this is not a vise job, because what we're seeing here was struck onto the blank before the final strike? Unless someone has dies and a die press?

What is going on? never ever viewed a coin like that.

And the 1965 only the obverse shows,any evidence of being "double struck". would hate to own those. Previous owner must be happy.
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 Posted 07/09/2016  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
Some great errors for a bargain alright.

This one was struck with a 1968 soft die.. fake for sure. http://cnc.forwardsim.com/auction/1...tion/lot/426

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A lot of pressure needed to strike nickel. Sure, Soft dies and a press of sorts, though the final strike looks like,a genuine strike? Except for not obliterated previous strike features

I hope they don't start rolling these out of China ugh. Someone should let the auction house know.
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 Posted 07/09/2016  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list
Here you can see the year and the D.G on a 63 obverse, so thats where I got the 1968 from. Either way how ever it was fashioned it can't be legit..IMO
You can also see the queens crown.
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 Posted 07/09/2016  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XWLCoins to your friends list
I just emailed TCNC.
This is bull!
It's definitely a 1968 strike underneath it!! Argh!!

Here's another image



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Does anyone think this could be legit in any way?
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 Posted 07/09/2016  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Apitrix to your friends list
All is well that ends well! :) I can't believe people consign falsified coins.. So upsetting to know that even renown auctions sometimes can not be bid on with complete confidence..
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 Posted 07/09/2016  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Both Geoffery Bell and Colonial Acres auctions usually consult someone to validate and describe their errors... I am unaware if TCNC does this as well...
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 Posted 07/09/2016  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
This is what a legit nickel composition 5c, double struck (flip struck in collar), looks like. Ex-Marshall collection...

When it comes to double struck coins, the first place I look is in the devices (raised elements of the coin).

http://www.PCGS.com/cert/%2029316769
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Thats a nice one Spp, I think the raised elements is where a soft die (depending on its composition) mostly fails and is absorbed by the softness of the metal as opposed to the fields and flatter areas. Both the coins you referred to have the same look and IMO the other one is more than likely fake too.
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 Posted 07/09/2016  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list
Yup,SPP, I liked that one too!
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Nice to see you back on CCF Zonad... will you be coming out to the RCNA?
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ENS barbq today. Yes, I will be at the R C N A show, Hope to see two knee guy while there?
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You will indeed see him... but you won't see me. I will be in the field, in northern Labrador...
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 Posted 07/10/2016  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
Folks interested in this thread... might want to see this one:

https://goccf.com/t/264657
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