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Counterfeit NGC 2000 $50 Gold MS 70 Slabbed Please Driving Me Crazier

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 Posted 07/21/2016  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
So your telling me that Panda is legit?
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 Posted 07/21/2016  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul_S to your friends list
I'm telling you I don't see anything at ALL that makes me think it isn't.


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 Posted 07/21/2016  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Not even the fact that there is no denomination on it?
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 Posted 07/21/2016  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Not even the fact that there is no denomination on it?

Did you miss in the listing that he said it was a silver round and NOT currency?


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Also a Chinese 1oz. SILVER Round dated 2010 [this is not currency] with proof like finish


He also calls it a silver round in the title.
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 Posted 07/21/2016  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul_S to your friends list
And that is why it is best to see a coin in hand before making a determination. Which is why we have nothing to do with reporting fakes on ebay UNLESS they are in counterfeit NGC holders with clear pictures that show that is the case.


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 Posted 07/21/2016  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul_S to your friends list
The seller didn't mis-represent the item at all, unless the Panda happens to be silver plated, which is not something that would be apparent in a photo.


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Did you miss in the listing that he said it was a silver round and NOT currency?


He can call it a refrigerator if he wants, it's still a counterfeit. Also, I'd bet my house it's not silver. We've seen these here plenty of times.
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 Posted 07/21/2016  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul_S to your friends list
I don't doubt it and you may very well be right.


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Here's one of many sellers we've seen selling all year/denomination Pandas with no denomination on the coin...

http://www.ebay.ca/sch/dgrass/m.htm...H_Complete=1

At least this one admits they're not silver.
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 Posted 07/21/2016  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list
Sadly, they're even being made with the denomination now...

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Looks like an (You're right, but we don't broadcast it here - Bobby) They are a very big problem in the coin industry as they don't seem to care if people sell fakes on their site.


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 Posted 07/21/2016  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Goldflake to your friends list
bobby131313 you are worth more money.

Don't let it get to you. You could go crazy.
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 Posted 07/23/2016  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list
It's disconcerting from every angle. Thanks to all contributors for raising awareness.
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 Posted 08/17/2016  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 4504 to your friends list
the is from the NGC certification page:


NGC Cert: 310742-001

Date/Info: 2000 EAGLE
Denomination: G$50
Grade: MS 70

NGC Price Guide: $3,250.00
NGC Census: 911
NGC Coin Explorer: View


If the information displayed above is incorrect or does not match the coin you are verifying, or if you believe that you have a counterfeit or tampered NGC holder, please contact ConsumerAwareness@NGCcoin.com. To learn more about counterfeit or tampered NGC holders, click here.

NGC Price Guide Disclaimer

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that is not to say a bad seller cannot use the same pictures though, or even send you a dozen of fake coins/slabs patterned off of the "real" one. in other words, if you see the same pictures/slab serial number on another seller's listing, well, that is bad...
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 Posted 08/24/2016  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 4504 to your friends list
I take back my last sentence. Sometimes one simply cannot get as good of a picture on their own, so I have no problem with using pictures that was on a previous listing for one particular coin, as long as the seller explains that, especially if using a "stock" picture... my pictures generally suck so I sometimes use pictures from a previous listing for the particular coin. wanted to clear that up... mike
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