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Pillar of the Community
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I don't see FBL on tis coin as the bottom set of lines appears to be in complete to the left of the crack in the bell as does the top set of lines
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Pillar of the Community
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full bell lines and even these are potentially not FBL due to the bag mark in the top set of lines  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree - MS details, brushed lightly with something or perhaps left loose in a drawer.
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Pillar of the Community
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 with MS Details also |
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Rest in Peace
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steele , I believe it's the top set of lines that determines FBL .  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I found this on a site for Franklin's:
"Most collectors today, as well as PCGS and CAC, only consider the lower set when determining whether a Franklin is FBL or not. NGC, however, considers both upper and lower bell lines."
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"For a coin to be designated FBL the lines must have complete separation with no major interruptions, such as marks, scrapes, cuts, gashes, etc. A Franklin will fall into one of three categories in regard to its FBL status; non-FBL, near/borderline-FBL, or FBL."
Considering that, I guess this can be considered Near-FBL or Non-FBL simply because of the scratches running through the lines.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Would anyone consider this for TPG w/ variety designation? In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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Pillar of the Community
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I would not submit this coin to a TPG. It is a low value coin even in uncirculated grades. What variety do you believe this to be? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Sorry, I used the wrong term. I guess if it was FBL that would be called a "superlative designation" and would not have to be requested. Although this coin doesn't grade high enough to even get that designation with the service I looked at.
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Bedrock of the Community
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i agree with most everyone here. MS details. coin was cleaned or buffed
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Pillar of the Community
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Lovely coin, just not FBL IMHO.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I don't believe this to be "cleaned". It was, however, loose with other coins for who knows how long and moved around. I don't see evidence of cleaning and I'm hoping that's not just a knee-jerk response.
How can you tell that the scratches are from cleaning and not circulation or contacting other coins?
This is a big question that has been bothering me.
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Bedrock of the Community
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the reason I noted this as a cleaned or lightly polished coin is that when looking at the scratches on the reverse across the bell and below it, they are consistent with with a long swipe with a cloth or something abrasive and are far to long to have come from just banging up against a coin where you would see short nicks or scratches. I think if you look along the bottom of the obverse you will some discoloration. from my observation I think they were attempting to remove that. looking closely at the reverse you can still see some remnants of that same discoloration across the bottom half of the coin exactly where the swipe/scratches are located. look at the cheek. these marks are from contact with other coins. very different from the others.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I apologize, I'm still learning, but I see what you're saying. So, if I were looking for evidence of wiping or brushing, there would be multiple hairlines in the same direction and usually not a perfectly straight line? And, they would affect fields and raised elements as opposed to die scratches that would normally be seen only in the fields?
I have a sense that a lot of these coins I have may have been cleaned or at least wiped a long time ago and any help would be appreciated as to identifying what happened.
I'll take a closer look at the color difference you noted because I don't remember seeing that in hand, may be the pics.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I thought I'd do a little time travel. I created this topic a month after joining. I wanted to say that if someone else posted this now, I would respond exactly the same way as others here. That's a testament to the wealth of information and expertise here if you avail yourself to it. Thank you to everyone who has helped me along the way and provided me and everyone else with knowledge to further the hobby! Also, thank you to the people who offer their time and hard work to maintain this site and keep it a safe and welcoming place!   In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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