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Bedrock of the Community
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It is suspected that the majority of these so-called "supernotes" are originating from North Korea and laundered through Chinese businesses that do black market business with North Korea. Some might even originate from Iran since they have a pre-1979 Intaglio printing press provided to the Shah by the US  . The quality is of such a high level that the counterfeiting pretty much has to be sponsored by a governmental entity due to equipment and the cost of producing them accurately. For once, China is probably innocent in this matter since greenbacks are still king in this world(regardless of current decline in value) and it is hurting their interests as well. Edited by biokemist6
04/17/2008 3:39 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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"China is probably innocent in this matter..." Yes, hence my aversion to naming that country. Despite their forgery issues we complain about, that country produces a lot of legitimate products cheaply to our direct benefit. The deserve a lot of credit for what they've made for themselves.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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quote: "I guess we need to have a black light in our pocket?"
I've seen very small units for sale in Asia, for less than $10. Definitely what I'd call pocket-size. Apparently, a lot of Asian currencies are counterfeited also.
Peter
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Valued Member
United States
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Recently this last summer, my mom told us before my dad and me went to Taiwan, the currency exchange places won't except 1996 $100. I never knew the reason why as I see the $100 as a $100, but I see why now...
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Valued Member
United States
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I've mentioned in several threads that I am a Manager with Wendy's. A couple weeks ago we put these into all the stores in our franchise. They are pretty cool and although my store had only taken 2 counterfiet bills (a $10 and a $20) these will be worth their weight in real $20s by the end of the summer. Well, the link didn't work. If you look up Nashua counterfeit you will find an inexpensive tabletop model that has uv, backlit, and magnetic ink detection. I think we paid about $40 per unit Try this link for more info http://www.yourofficestop.com/nashu...etector.htmlEdited by of-grampa
04/21/2008 7:43 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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OK, here is my current state of being.
A long time ago, I got burned with a counterfeit $100 bill I received from a bank. It was a very high quality counterfeit.
Since then, I did a lot of reading and concluded one thing. The UV Security Thread is an extremely low priority for counterfeiters for the following reasons
=It is difficult to reproduce within the paper
=It is difficult to reproduce the color
=High speed currency counters don't check the security thread
=Bill acceptors don't check the security thread
=Low speed currency counters don't check the security thread
In the current state of counterfeit dection, features like the security thread, the color shifting ink, and microprinting are not checked in bill counters and automated bill acceptors.
The colorshifting ink is the easiest to check with the unaided eye and as a result high quality counterfeiters work hard to give it a sparkle and I believe some even get it to shift a little. The microprinting is also easy to reproduce as it takes the same level of effort as to reproduce the fine artwork on the bill.
I've concluded then that if the UV Security Thread is present, in the correct location, and the correct color, then the bill would also pass through a bill acceptor or bill counter and I would most likely not get burned.
365NM is the specified wavelength for checking the security thread. I use a narrow beam UV Penlight for checking all the notes I accept. I avoid $100's like the plague because their red threads are so difficult to check in daylight. I stick with $50's because their yellow threads are the easiest to check even in the brightest of conditions.
Hope this helps someone else.
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Valued Member
United States
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I forgot to add that for checking $100's, you must absolutely have a 365NM UV Light source.
For $50's, any 400NM or lower UV light will work. The $5 Invisible Ink Pens will even work for checking $50's and that is what I used for a long time before I broke down and bought a real 365NM Pen Light.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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gatzdon...where do you buy such a light? Is that a Radio Shack kind of thing, or do you need to go to a specialty store of some sort?
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Valued Member
United States
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The $5 invisible ink pen will no longer work on the newest counterfeit bills. They are now using spray-on starch or something like this which they spray the counterfeits with. Once it dries, it gives the counterfeit more of a feel like a normal bill but it also tricks the ink for a short period of time.
Your best bet is the UV light. As for the $100s being hard to check, that is correct...that color is hard to see in daylight.
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Valued Member
United States
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With the hundreds, the color is hard to see in a pitch black room. I'm hoping the logic behind it is that red was the most difficult color UV ink to produce/counterfeit. I bought my pen light from here http://www.maxmax.com/aUVLedLights.htm365NM 10 Degree. Uses 3 AAAA batteries (no that's not a typo, that's 4 letter A's, AAAA) Believe it or not, Radio Shack does not stock these batteries, but every Walgreen's I've been to does stock them. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks, Gatzdon! I've got one on the way.
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Valued Member
United States
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Glad I can help someone out.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Interesting news, thanks for sharing this disturbing information.
I usually deal in smaller bills and CC's so I suppose I wont get duped with these counterfeit
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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quote of quote made by KurtS ""China is probably innocent in this matter..."
Yes, hence my aversion to naming that country. Despite their forgery issues we complain about, that country produces a lot of legitimate products cheaply to our direct benefit. The deserve a lot of credit for what they've made for themselves. "
The only products that are made in Chinia that I can name now are the toys with LEAD paint.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:
The only products that are made in China that I can name now are the toys with LEAD paint. Agreed, that was really bad judgment concerning subcontractors within China. But, if you can't think of any other China-made (and harmless) products, check out any clothing, electronics, or small-appliance store.  I understand some antipathy towards China, which I think is due less to "poison toys" than to their success as a manufacturing base for goods we consume. Some of this manufacturing was moved from the US to China as a cost-cutting decision by US companies. So I question the wisdom of hollowing out our manufacturing base for short-term goals vs. facing the challenge of making US goods better and more competitive on the global marketplace. Economic recovery will be more difficult as more industries have become outsourced. Well, this is a coin forum after all...so I'll end my commentary. Edited by KurtS
05/12/2008 3:16 pm
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