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Bedrock of the Community
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True, but their history is too checkered for them to ever rate on par with the big two, and I think deservedly so. Quote:ANACS gets their underdog status and prices accordingly, which in turn only reinforces their lower-tier rating.  @Coinfrog I've never submitted a coin but, I'm curious as to what you mean by that. What's the checkered history and deserved lower level of trust? In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Pillar of the Community
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Absolutely disagree that they won't cross. Recently sold a Rare Seated Half That the new owner has had UPGRADED By NGC.  I thought NGC would only crossover PCGS graded coins. Don't you have to crack out ANACS graded coins first and submit them as raw? Is this what he did? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I thought NGC would only crossover PCGS graded coins. Don't you have to crack out ANACS graded coins first and submit them as raw? You're right, NGC only crosses PCGS coins. PCGS will cross anyones. NGC grading something higher as a raw coin is not the same as an upgraded crossover. |
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Reading comprehension malfunction .....where in my post does it say CROSSOVER ?
He had the coin UPGRADED . WHICH MEANS he cracked it and resubbed it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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ANACS is the oldest TPG, and most collectors who've been around a long time have witnessed periods of both leniency and conservatism in their grading. They have had different owners and, at one point, virtually swapped their entire grading staff with IGC as I recall. There simply is not the consistency in their grades as that evidenced in PCGS and NGC holders. This is why many auction houses will not sell their slabs and, fundamentally, why they have to charge lower fees than the Big Two - otherwise they would not stay in business.  |
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Reading comprehension malfunction .....where in my post does it say CROSSOVER ? When you say Quote:
Absolutely disagree that they won't cross. and then follow it immediately with Quote:
Recently sold a Rare Seated Half That the new owner has had UPGRADED By NGC. It looks like you're talking about a crossover. |
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There simply is not the consistency in their grades as that evidenced in PCGS and NGC holders. In general I agree with your post but there is nothing resembling "consistency" in those two either, be it in a snapshot of the present or a long-term comparison to their other work. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I don't have enough experience to compare grading trends among them and own very few slabbed coins. That's why I asked about ANACS. I thought there might be some juicy story there.  Once I get enough coins worthy of submission, I'll consider a PCGS membership. I believe it's better for coin resale and I just like the look and feel of their slabs better. In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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In general I agree with your post but there is nothing resembling "consistency" in those two either, be it in a snapshot of the present or a long-term comparison to their other work. They're actually much more consistent than the internet makes them out to be and very surprisingly consistent for something that is so subjective. No one ever posts stories about their failed crack-outs though. Overtime since the start is a bit different story since the grading scale itself has changed differences will obviously be present |
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This is why many auction houses will not sell their slabs ... Coinfrog, Just curious, what auction houses will not sell ANACS graded coins? Heritage, Great Collections, David Lawrence, Goldberg, Kagin's and Stacks-Bowers (and ebay of course) all sell them and these are the houses that I'm familiar with and check regularly. So, I must be missing many other auctions that I should be checking and aren't. Edited by BadDog
11/05/2017 3:36 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This thread was a "rough" read indeed...
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Valued Member
United States
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BTW, at ICG you can actually speak with the person who graded your coins! I know the guys there and I've been told that on many occasions they call the collector to discuss the coins while the coins are at the service!
Best thing about both second tier services is they give free grading opinions at shows; however ANACS does not have an actual grader at most shows they attend. ICG sends one to each show they attend and it gives you a chance to speak with Randy to learn why he grades your coin the way he does. NGC has an hour session by appointment at the large shows. IMO, that's really lame...LOL.
Just know that opinions given at shows are subject to change back at the office.
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Valued Member
United States
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I've been using ANACS for several years now, had problem once and as stated in an earlier aI picked up the phone and spoke with a helpful customer service associate who actually patched my through to one of the honcho's...in this day and age!
I'm also a big fan of their new slabs, really like the curved top which makes for easy ID of coin is in the slab.
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Valued Member
United States
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As far as "one" of the other big two, PCGS, I've had Morgans in their slabs that were graded AU-58 and MS-63 where the Morgans absolutely seemed to each be in the other's holder (they were sent in at different times, but had exact same style of holder used). They were both Philadelphia Morgans from 1881 and 1882. The AU one looked like a really nice UNC 63 in all regards (if not better) and the one that PCGS called MS-63 had definite wear to it (not a weak strike) and also had no eye appeal & had a literally dirty look to it. I would post pics, but I sold them both.
Once I took them to my local coin club and everyone could easily see the inconsistency in the grading of them.
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Canada
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One of the most important error coins in my entire collection, was bought sight unseen because it was in an ANACS holder. While I am a PCGS Registry set player, and my errors get reholdered in PCGS holders, I have absolutely no reason not to trust ANACS with their varieties and error attributions. Grading, well, that has always been subjective and I challenge anyone to prove that ANY grading company has been consistent with their grading practices over time...
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