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You've been known to blast TPGs before on coins you were wrong about Problem coins should not grade problem-free, worn coins should not be graded MS, and key dates should not be given a bump. Those are my main gripes. I think you can agree. But I will admit that their incompetence is not universal among classic US coins. They do often grade the coins correctly. Quote:
No one wanted to buy that coin raw because of number 2 and you're a teen trying to sell them a raw bust quarter that's going to raise a lot of red flags most will just pass on like they did. I was selling it as cleaned at a "cleaned" price based on sale records, so I don't know how it would come across as a scam. If they can't judge authenticity and approximate grade themselves, then they should not be dealers. Edited by TypeCoin971793
11/26/2017 9:55 pm
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If they can't judge authenticity and approximate grade themselves, then they should not be dealers. Geez... that was a bit harsh... EDIT: What I was meaning was to single out dealers who lowball because they have no idea as to authenticity or can't tell VG from VF. I think it is perfectly understandable for a dealer to err on the side of caution if the coin seems off, the coin is on the verge of AU-58 and MS, or if a small grade difference means a huge price jump. I'd be a hypocrite if I said that wasn't okay. Edited by TypeCoin971793
11/26/2017 10:18 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:. Then they are in total denial and refuse to accept facts. The TPG grade is a necessary insurance policy especially when you're buying coins based off of pictures. I agree with what you mean about when buying based off pictures, however I find it unfortunate that these days people are paying more for coins just because a TPG said it was a grade. Now I can understand if we're talking about something like a rare/key date or something and you want it authenticated, in fact when it comes to authentication PCGS would probably be My go to guys, but when it comes to grading (in My opinion) it seems that people have become so unsure in their own opinion/grading that it seems that some forgot about who's opinion on the coin matters most, their own. |
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Problem coins should not grade problem-free, worn coins should not be graded MS, and key dates should not be given a bump. Those are my main gripes. I think you can agree.  Its like you read My mind. |
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.Anyone who thinks PCGS cant's grade classic coins needs to improve their own grading drastically. I'm not denying they can, but when it come to a coin that I've personally graded say vg-10 and 10 collectors agree and 3 say vg-8 and then the coin comes back f-15 then I'm probably not gonna be interested in buying the coin, at least not for f-15 money. |
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I'm not denying they can, but when it come to a coin that I've personally graded say vg-10 and 10 collectors agree and 3 say vg-8 and then the coin comes back f-15 then I'm probably not gonna be interested in buying the coin, at least not for f-15 money. In these cases, I might get a little over-zealous against the TPGs. But are my grading standards wrong?  Now if I call a coin VF-30 and everyone else on CCF calls it EF-45 and PCGS agrees with them, that is a time where I decide I am wrong and need to learn. |
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Problem coins should not grade problem-free, worn coins should not be graded MS, and key dates should not be given a bump. Those are my main gripes. I think you can agree. An you were right 100 percent of the time? We've had this talk before on another forum. You have your opinions, they have theirs, theirs means a lot more to the overwhelming majority of people. Quote:
But are my grading standards wrong? Your standards no idea, Your ability to assess things though yes I do think they are off as we have talked before. I know I'll come off as a jerk and it needs to happen, but you jump to the TPGs are always wrong and can't grade so fast, between you and them it very likely isn't them |
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Now if I call a coin VF-30 and everyone else on CCF calls it EF-45 and PCGS agrees with them, that is a time where I decide I am wrong and need to learn. I strongly agree, What I do dislike is when a large number of people say hypothetically Vf-35 but then PCGS grades it it AU-55 and its treated as if the majority of people are wrong and PCGS is automatically right. |
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What I do dislike is when a large number of people say hypothetically Vf-35 but then PCGS grades it it AU-55 and its treated as if the majority of people are wrong and PCGS is automatically right. So you think grading from pictures is how experts grade and forum members could never be wrong ever? You're setting yourself up for a lot of disappointment with that theory. I guess when they all miss doctoring that they're right as well. Edited by basebal21
11/27/2017 12:02 am
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.So you think grading from pictures is how experts grade and forum members could never be wrong ever? You're setting yourself up for a lot of disappointment with that theory. It doesn't take the coin being in hand to differentiate between VF and AU, or VG-8 and F-15. |
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It doesn't take the coin being in hand to differentiate between VF and AU, or VG-8 and F-15. Anyone who thinks a AU if VF is just clueless, and VG and F if you think a picture can't be the difference maker you have some learning to do my friend. You are significantly underplaying what pictures can do and overplaying where you put your faith. It's alright I know I will be hated on the forum for saying it, those people have made up their mind it's the readers who don't post who need to know it isn't world class graders disagreeing from pictures of all things. I used to have the same attitude you do. Then I realized I didn't know as much as I thought, and looked at how I could learn. I then realized that the vast majority of grading disagreements I had I could work backwards from their grade and figure out where I was wrong |
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.Anyone who thinks a AU if VF is just clueless, and VG and F if you think a picture can't be the difference maker you have some learning to do my friend.
You are significantly underplaying what pictures can do and overplaying where you put your faith. It's alright I know I will be hated on the forum for saying it, those people have made up their mind it's the readers who don't post who need to know it isn't world class graders disagreeing from pictures of all things.
I used to have the same attitude you do. Then I realized I didn't know as much as I thought, and looked at how I could learn. I then realized that the vast majority of grading disagreements I had I could work backwards from their grade and figure out where I was wrong Maybe its just because everytime I have taken the risk of buying based off of pictures its worked in My favors, but that could also be because I'm extremely cautious/picky due to prior experiences maybe I'm just basing My views off My experiences and how I buy coins and go through grading My coins. All I'm saying is that sometimes the collectors seem to have a more agreeable/accurate grade vs PCGS. I personally hope you don't get any flack for Your opinions, though I may disagree with a few the way I see it is you're only trying to help Me/others in this thread. I have read some of Your other posts and you seem like a very knowledgeable collector, I would like to think that the other users here can see that You're only trying to help, and that people can have a friendly debate/discussion on this forum. |
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Maybe its just because everytime I have taken the risk of buying based off of pictures its worked in My favors, but that could also be because I'm extremely cautious/picky due to prior experiences maybe I'm just basing My views off My experiences and how I buy coins and go through grading My coins That's the major way I get mine as well. By no means am I saying to buy a coin you don't like, really all that matters is that it is something that makes you happy. What I really took issue with in the other post was the notion that somehow PCGS is clueless or that poster always knows better than them. They didn't get to the respect level they have because they're clueless and that is an issue that has been addressed with that poster on more than one forum where I wasn't the first nor the most experienced/knowledgeable to call them on it. Quote:
You're only trying to help, and that people can have a friendly debate/discussion on this forum. Could not agree more. Challenging each other forces people to look at their position again and sometimes it changes or you discover something you missed in the process of defending it. |
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Couldn't have said it better myself!)
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An you were right 100 percent of the time? No, I'm not. But neither are the TPGs. The difference is that my opinions are worthless in the marketplace, while theirs are seen as the standard of correctness. Quote:
but you jump to the TPGs are always wrong and can't grade so fast And if you look a few posts earlier, you will see that I say that the TPG's do often grade correctly. My mistake was making the general statement I did. |
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