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Pillar of the Community
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Nice mix of coins here! By the way, what is a "CNG sale"?
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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nickelsearcher has made a point that cannot be ignored; it would be good if this coin was investigated further, perhaps take it to a specialist for his opinion.
Those two raised lumps below the chin (obv.) have also raised my curiousity.
CNG is a very reputable source; I am sure that if you had a good third party opinion, they would treat you well. Take a record of this thread as well.
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks all! I haven't worked out an acceptable artificial light setup, so for the time being I am at the mercy of my natural light. I'll work on getting some new images up. CNG is Classical Numismatic Group, one of the top auction houses for ancient and medieval coins, but they do occasionally sell other things. The lot was sold on an "as-is" basis, but comes with a guarantee of authenticity. The auction notes mention that the Missouri half is cleaned and shows sign of old PVC damage (plus some rim dings). It will affect the value for sure, but will still likely sell for a respectable amount. The Monroe Doctrine half is cleaned and maybe polished. All of then check out at 12.45-12.51g on my scale. And I understand the sentiment around keeping them, but I have too many concurrent projects going on as it is, and the budget simply can't entertain a project on the scale of US classic commem half dollars. Even cleaned, the Missouri probably makes the difference between turning a profit on the lot and not breaking even. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Great lot - show us some close-ups!
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02/19/2018 5:42 pm
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show us some close-ups!  |
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Even cleaned, the Missouri probably makes the difference between turning a profit on the lot and not breaking even. I'll be a more blunt about it then ... with all due respect to a fellow collector whom I'm trying to protect: Based on the photos provided ... I have serious doubts that the Missouri Half is authentic. You can read my specific concerns above. Show us in-focus full size obverse and reverse images ... then I can offer a true opinion and hopefully rest easy for you. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Attaching individual images of the Missouri  Looks like maybe some PVC residue over SEDALIA. I'll steal my lamps back from my wife for pics under different lighting. |
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United States
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I'm sorry to say this Finn235 ... but IMHO with some experience with the series you are not going to enjoy any satisfaction from your Missouri example. There are many alarm bells going off on this coin ... the easiest to see for yourself (assuming accurate photos) are the various raised dots in the coins fields. Obverse as I pointed out in my original reply ... and now visible as well on the reverse. Look for the raised dots proud of the fields ... they are hard to miss ... and those dots do not appear on any authentic USA coin. I'm not an expert on the art of counterfeiting ... but the corresponding damage on the rims leads to wonder if that was induced by separating the 'coin' from the casting mold? There are other issues of concern ... but your full size photographs have sealed the deal for me .... not authentic. Sorry to render that opinion. You can always submit to a TPG for another opinion ... but IMHO after 10 years pursuing this series I know as much as they do on authenticity. What does it weigh? Next up for attribution (if you care to do so) is the 1937 Roanoke Island half. Edit ... your counterfeit Missouri would be a tremendous coin to share with the Numismatist magazine for their monthly Counterfeit Detection article ... a great way to educate collectors. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.artEdited by nickelsearcher
02/20/2018 6:59 pm
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for the feedback, nickelsearcher. I may send this one to a TPG, even if just to have leverage to ask for some compensation or refund from CNG. I would rather not send the whole lot back for one coin, but the coin is still under guarantee. For what it's worth, my scale clocks it at 12.47g. Here is the Roanoke:  Vermont:  And Columbus:  Any red flags with those? |
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No concerns from me on authenticity for those three coins ... AU55, AU55 and MS-something in the order you showed them.
Apologize as needed if I have complicated your life with my views on the Missouri ... accept that I might be wrong ... but in my many years of experience with these coins that one is not authentic.
Do indeed take whatever steps you feel are needed to protect yourself.
Let us know how that turns out.
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Pillar of the Community
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 with nickelsearcher about the Missouri half dollar...looks fake. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Here's the rest of the classic commemorative halves from the lot: Monroe Doctrine (Cleaned, but it checks out as silver  )  Lexington-Concord  Stone Mountain (Wanted one of these for years; I probably won't sell this one)  Long Island (Looks a lot better in hand; nice lustrous graphite color)  Rhode Island 1936-S  Arkansas 1936  Booker T. Washington 1948 (Is it worth more than melt with that contact mark?)  Washington Carver 1952-D  I am probably going to get the auctions up soon; selling one per week, no reserve style, and the rest probably as BIN. |
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Monroe Doctrine (Cleaned, but it checks out as silver ) I have one of those.  |
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Is it worth more than melt with that contact mark? I don't know, but still a coin with a mintage of just 8,005. |
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