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 Posted 06/04/2018  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add friedsquid to your friends list

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Can you get those at any bank or only at a BOC...


I get mine directly from the depot...not from a bank

and FYI they do not make good pillows, but perhaps stuffing your mattress with them individually may be more comfortable
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 Posted 06/05/2018  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CalmBud to your friends list
what is the depot? are you required to get 10 bundles of 100 bills minimum?
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 Posted 06/05/2018  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add friedsquid to your friends list

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what is the depot? are you required to get 10 bundles of 100 bills minimum?


It is basically a distribution center where Canadian currency is brought and them distributed all across Canada
Minimum is a brick which is 1000 bills of any denomination
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 Posted 06/05/2018  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
One can go to 150 King st. and exchange a brick or you order through your own bank ?
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 Posted 06/05/2018  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CalmBud to your friends list
can you provide contact information for the distribution center?
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 Posted 06/05/2018  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add friedsquid to your friends list

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can you provide contact information for the distribution center?


Unfortunately I cannot as the process is not that straight forward
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 Posted 06/05/2018  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list

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So the bricks straight from BOC are not sequential numbers any more ?


The Bank of Canada has been using a single note inspection process. This is public knowledge. In a single note inspection process which is a machine based process defective notes are removed during the machine inspection and not replaced with anything.

So it is possible that if the machine finds defective notes then the bundles will not be sequential.

However many bundles are sequential and do not have a single note missing in the sequence - it is just that the sequence may not start from a ----000 number.

Despite the fact that many people have experienced bundles/bricks whose numbers do not make sense there is a method in the madness.
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 Posted 06/05/2018  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add friedsquid to your friends list
When was the last time you actually obtained a bundle of
Notes that were in sequential sequence
As for your information it is not correct
Notes are replaced when defective notes are found
But not always are they found
That is why we have error notes
Since all bundles have 100 notes and all bricks have
1000 notes how can you explain that if no note
Is replacing a bad note
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 Posted 06/05/2018  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list

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Can you get those at any bank or only at a BOC...


All bank branches can order new bundles/bricks (at least in the GTA area). Practically there are a couple of problems:

a) The branches may not know the process of doing it and may not be inclined to find out the process. In some cases they do not want to go through filling out the paperwork to put the order through. If however the branch you are dealing with is typically able to order new notes for the Chinese New Year then they know the process.If you plan ahead you can actually ask them to order around Chinese New Year and they could do it along with their order.

b) It costs the branches to order the bricks. Generally they will try to dissuade you from ordering as they have to eat up the cost or charge you for it. If they order it they typically have to order the whole brick. So if you only want a bundle they still have to reconcile the charge of the whole brick.

c) Also if you are in the business of going through the bricks and bringing them back to the bank after you have searched for it they will come to not like you too much.

d) Finally keep in mind that transactions over $10,000 dollars typically would get reported to FINTRAC. So frequent bricking where you have no business to show for it will get flagged. $10,000 is a brick of 10's. If you get a brick of 20's you are already in the radar. My thinking has been that those who claim to do bricking particularly frequently and in denominations over 10's have to be in business of some kind through which they place the orders.
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 Posted 06/05/2018  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list

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When was the last time you actually obtained a bundle of
Notes that were in sequential sequence


Just yesterday. I am happy to sell it to anyone for a premium next time I get it. Again it will not necessarily be from 000 to 999 but sequential none the less.
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 Posted 06/05/2018  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list

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That is why we have error notes


There will be a possibility of error notes. Just because there is inspection does not mean errors do not pass through inspection. Defective notes are determined by machine. There is algorithm. If a note does not fit within the algorithm it will pass through the process and show up in the bundle. The single note inspection process is believed to be able to keep an image of every single note that is printed. Hard to believe but that is the spec sheet of the machine. So if afterwards the BoC finds out that the error note went through the process it has a way of capturing it back when the notes flow back to the BoC.

Anyone with a technical mind can look up the Single Note Inspection Process through its patent filing and be able to get very detailed information on it.
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 Posted 06/05/2018  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list

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Since all bundles have 100 notes and all bricks have
1000 notes how can you explain that if no note
Is replacing a bad note


Here is how it explained. Lets say the machine starts with the following note:

0009800

Scenario 1 - For the next 100 notes it does not find any defective notes then the bundle will go from:

0009800 to 0009899 (100 notes)

The next bundle in the brick will start from 0009600 and if there is no defective not it will go to 0009699.

Scenario 2 For the next 100 notes the following notes were found to be defective: 0009800, 0009810 and 0009899. In this case the bundle will have the following notes:

0009801 to 0009809 (9 notes) missing 0009800 and 0009810
0009811 to 0009898 (88 notes) missing 009899

The above totals only 97 notes so the bundle will have the following additional notes:

0009600 to 0009602 (3 notes)

The next bundle will start from 0009603 and if there are no defective notes it will go to 0009699 and then from 009400 to 0009402.

and so on.


When bricking it is often easy to retrieve through the brick a full sequence from 000 to 999 assuming no defective notes. However these may not be in a single bundle in a brick but will be over two bundles.

If anyone is interested in seeing a $10 Polymer bundle going from 000 to 999 please feel free to message me separately.

*there was small error in my starting bundle number. Generally in a bundle the notes when viewed with number side up jump down in sequence i.e. in a bundle if the PN of the top note is 05 the PN of the bottom note will most lesser than 05 most likely 04. There are exceptions to the rules and this can get highly technical. Needless to say there has been documentation of numerous bundles and bricks which informs the above statements. If anyone is inclined to compare notes it would be most appropriate outside of the postings maybe at the upcoming RCNA.
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06/05/2018 6:17 pm
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 Posted 06/05/2018  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add friedsquid to your friends list
How do you explain a brick with one bundle contain in 6
Radars
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 Posted 06/05/2018  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list

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How do you explain a brick with one bundle contain in 6
Radars


1 brick containing 6 radars maybe but

1 BUNDLE containing 6 radars - GOD's GRACE

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 Posted 06/05/2018  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list

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When was the last time you actually obtained a bundle of
Notes that were in sequential sequence


For the "150" tens, notes found within the bundle (100) ran sequentially but there could be large gaps (typically 2, 3 or 5 notes missing but sometimes 30 up to 100 or more numbers missing). The bundles most often were 1000 -or multiples of 1000- notes apart (usually in descending order). I actually found 2 or 3 radars in one 1/2 brick once or twice (but more often struck out due to a number jump).

We had some good SN data shared by brick hunters on the CPMF (on how the # typically played out). I got a few old Journey bricks with SN that played out sequentially (even bundle to bundle) but I also got a few scrambled bricks which usually had a large quantity of inserts. I also got a few polymer bricks ($10/$5) which ran sequentially but did the 1000 note jump too (from bundle to bundle) and I missed on getting a radar from them too.


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Generally they will try to dissuade you from ordering as they have to eat up the cost or charge you for it. If they order it they typically have to order the whole brick. So if you only want a bundle they still have to reconcile the charge of the whole brick.

-This is true. I have had nothing but hassles getting my bricks from the big banks. Last year (with the "150" $10) I got mostly half-bricks (5 bundles) which they were much more favourable to supply (& I never returned them to the same branch).
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