Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsVancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

1909 S VDB Lincoln Wheat Cent - Nice, Real And Cleaned

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
First Page  Showing last 15 replies.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 17 / Views: 4,731Next Topic Page 2 of 2
Rest in Peace
United States
18456 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
Other than the 2 tiny hits, the reverse is drop dead gorgeous . It seems like a little wear on obverse cleaned ? yes it was ,But I have a feeling your right about the retoneing . Color? kind of a pastel color . I kind of know where your at with this coin and if it weren't for being a S-VDB , this coin would not be worth talking about .
Valued Member
United States
86 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hoxsie454 to your friends list
Maybe my eyes are just too old, but I see no signs of cleaning caught by these photos. Even if it graded but with details, that wouldn't deter me a bit. So, I guess I am just saying I want the coin and grading would not deter or encourage my interest in this beautiful coin. I would gladly pop mine out of my album and pop yours in!
Bedrock of the Community
United States
36905 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
It's an AU coin judging by the wear on Lincoln's lapel, beard, cheek bone, ear. So most likely cleaned as well.
Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree. Slightly worn, cleaned and now re-toning.
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
United States
18725 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I'm in a different camp. I don't think the coin was cleaned or if it was there is no signs of it or very lightly. I do think its AT and what we are seeing is that the AT across the head and jacket have been rubbed off either by handling or something else

I think the coin is MS possible 63 or even 64 as the reverse shows absolutely no signs of circulation. its very rare to see a coin that shows circulation on one side and not the other. imo it would see a details designation for surface/color alteration

looks like obverse die#4
Bedrock of the Community
United States
10982 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  11:36 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
It looks like an AU+ coin that has a lot of makeup (recoloring) on. There's always a chance you could land a UNC Details grade too though.

There are several spots around Lincoln's head where the makeup is falling off.
ANA #R3154474
Pillar of the Community
United States
8715 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list
AU-58 Details, cleaned/artificial toning
Edited by SilverDollar2017
12/01/2018 11:37 am
Bedrock of the Community
United States
19975 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Can you get a close-up of the MM? Looks to have been whizzed but still attractive. The wheats are far too strong for an AU coin.

MS details
Lincoln Cent Lover!
VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR
https://verdi.care/
Bedrock of the Community
United States
19975 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Here's a 1924-D I owned that had been whizzed, very similar appearance.


1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Nice,-Real-And-Cleaned
1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Nice,-Real-And-Cleaned
1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Nice,-Real-And-Cleaned
1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Nice,-Real-And-Cleaned
Lincoln Cent Lover!
VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR
https://verdi.care/
Pillar of the Community
United States
6116 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Thanks everyone for the comments, they have been really helpful. I can get a photo of the mint mark later tonight for BadThad, but up front I can say that the little mark between the S and the 9 appears to be a minor string struck through.

So, what exactly is whizzing? Heard of it, probably seen a number of coins that have had it done, but never really understood what is being done exactly to the coin.

Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts
 Posted 12/01/2018  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Sometimes, the whizzing is done with some skill in a radial way,
to simulate a sort of radial mint luster.
Can also depend on the coarseness (or fineness) of the whizzing brush.

I agree that the '09 S VDB should be slabbed,
but it must be understood that it will come back with a 'details',
or perhaps not be graded at all, because it has been whizzed.
Pillar of the Community
United States
6116 Posts
 Posted 12/02/2018  02:04 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
As requested here is a shot of the date area. It shows that little struck through as well.

And since I had the coin out of the holder, I took an angled light shot to really show off the cleaning marks. Completely invisible until you turn the light just right under magnification, and then they are obvious.


1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Nice,-Real-And-Cleaned
1909-S-VDB-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent---Nice,-Real-And-Cleaned
Bedrock of the Community
Learn More...
United States
18725 Posts
 Posted 12/02/2018  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
nice closeups. it really looks like a whizzed coin which is shame. I also think after it was whizzed they attempted to cover it up by recoloring. double whammy. UNC details.
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
United States
6637 Posts
 Posted 12/02/2018  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list
whizzed
Pillar of the Community
United States
5240 Posts
 Posted 12/05/2018  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
Beautiful upgrade!!
Page 2 of 2   Previous TopicReplies: 17 / Views: 4,731Next Topic Page 2 of 2
First Page  Showing last 15 replies.
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.32 seconds to rattle this change. Forums