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Choosing One Ancient Coin?

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 Posted 03/15/2019  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list
Here is some Roman silver. I cheated a bit. There are 2 bronze coins included. The most expensive coin was a Caligula denarius at 1250.00. Most of the rest can be had for far less than 500.00 each.

In the stickies section there is a link to reliable dealers. I have used many of those listed. The best defence against a fake is not a slab it is a good dealer who offers a lifetime guarantee of authenticity.








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 Posted 03/15/2019  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list
The second coin and the third from last appeal to me more than the others. The second one appeals to me more for some reason. I see lots of nice Roman coins on ebay too. I guess what I am asking is what would you choose if you could only pick one? Or perhaps what is the most significant or "typical" coin for the price point?

Kind of like Lincoln's have the 1955 doubled die and the 1909 s vdb, coins with a story. Or a CC Morgan dollar.so not necessarily a key, just more significant than others. I do prefer good detail and a good strike.

I think you are right, I need to read a bit more lol.
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 Posted 03/16/2019  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list
I don't have many ancients, but the first one I got was a Roman denarius. I have a few now, and my favorite would be a Roman Republic denarius with a quadriga reverse.

I prefer slabbed ancients. Even though NGC won't guarantee their authenticity, they supposedly make an honest attempt to weed out fakes.

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 Posted 03/16/2019  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Personally, I wouldn't go for silver, I'd go for a really nice sestertius - they are big and demonstrate the best of roman art. Buying on ebay is much cheaper too - with patience (and my significantly-lower-than-$500-budget), the silver I go for tends to be Postumus and I try not to go over £10-15 for a crisp bust. For £500 on ebay, you could get just about anything if you are patient.

For $250 (way overpriced, but you pay for the peace of mind that comes from buying from dealers), you could get this big crisp Severus Alexander Sestertius:
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$100 for this sestertius of Hadrian:
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I think the most 'typical' coins aren't necessarily representative of roman coinage, but rather of a well known part of history. A popular ruler is Julius Caesar, but a good portrait denarius from a trustworthy source will set you back more than $500. Heres what $300 would get you - Julius Caesar and Marc Antony:

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$420 for -the- typical Caesar denarius, with a war elephant:
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The most 'typical' republican coin shows a quadriga driving right. Issued in large numbers and for a long time, so they are available in good condition, such as this for $200:
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Or more typical, with helmeted Roma on one side, $385:

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But if I had to choose a single type to get, I'd probably look for an 'angry' tetradrachm of Caracalla, like this $450 example from Vcoins:

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This one sold for $360:

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Or this one, which was only $90:

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 Posted 03/16/2019  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
If you want one coin and only one coin and in silver .......
I think you should consider a superb Alexander III tetradrachm
They are plentiful and common types can be had in XF condition for $500 or less
This might satisfy your appetite for someone with name recognition
Caesar or Brutus can break the bank in XF !
The Great Alex won't
But be forewarned !!!
You are asking for trouble ........
I'll bet you a silver denarius that within a year you will finding yourself
selling off your graded proof sets and your "stinking" silver dollars to buy more ancients
As of yet there is no known cure
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 Posted 03/16/2019  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list
Alexander III tets are a good idea - I got this one for $200 (36mm), priciest coin I own:

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 Posted 03/16/2019  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list

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I got this one for $200 (36mm), priciest coin I own


A paragon of restraint! I wish I were more disciplined.
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 Posted 03/16/2019  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
I'll also agree that an Alexander the Great tet is the best intersection between size, beauty, and "wow" factor if you are interested in only one (for now!)

Ensure you do some research, because the type was minted for more than a century after his death! The posthumous issues have their appeal, but coins made while he was still breathing are much more special, IMO.

Mine was about $600 after fees and shipping, and is one of the most prized coins in my collection

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But be warned! I ventured here, telling myself "I just want a few ancients" and before I knew it...

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 Posted 03/16/2019  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list
As an afterthought, reading back over your post, I think you might get more enjoyment out of building a relatively simple set. A popular and super-easy set would be to complete the entire dynasty of Constantine, which can easily be done in top grade for well under $500:

Constantine the Great
- His wife Fausta
- His mother Helena

His father Constantius I Chlorus
- His wife Theodora

Constantine's boys:
- Crispus
- Constantine II
- Constantius II
- Constans

Cousins of Constantine's boys:
- Dalmatius
- Hanniballianus (somewhat scarce; many skip him)
- Nepotian (Excessively rare, $1,000+ in any grade)
- Constantius Gallus
- Julian II "The Apostate"
- Procopius (Scarce, related to Julian, but not the rest)

Constantine's city commemoratives:
- VRBS ROMA
- CONSTANTINOPOLIS

For comparison, this is my Crispus that I bought on ebay from a reputable dealer for $30
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Barring Nepotian, Procopius and Hanniballianus, you can get all of the above rulers and their ladies in comparable condition for $50 or less each, provided you are patient enough. For added challenge, you can also collect by mints, reverse types, or by the titles that they held; e.g. as junior Caesar, senior Augustus, and posthumous, as applicable. It's a fun challenge and they will all fit on a single binder page when you're done.

Additionally, you can also get denarii of the Nerva-Antonine dynasty in high grade for $100 or less, and the whole project shouldn't cost much above $500 for just the emperors:
- Nerva
- Trajan
- Hadrian
- Antoninus Pius
- Lucius Verus
- Marcus Aurelius
- Commodus
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 Posted 03/16/2019  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list
Hi Finn, I am adamant I don't want more than one lol. I have so many coins and sets that I no longer have room. I realized some time ago that I don't even know what I have anymore lol. I would be going through updating current yearly sets and find coins that I didn't remember buying.

I set out very much wanting completeness but I can no longer appreciate the coins I have because I just have too many. Going through them all takes forever even in Dansco's lol.

So I started thinking about keeping some sets and building a U.S. type set which I am going to do next. I have been kind of building a type set already without knowing it. It does seem that I need to look at a bunch and read some more first. I don't know very much about Rome or Roman coins at all.
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 Posted 03/16/2019  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
A.H. : You are in a good numismatic 'place' now.
You have exactly the right attitude to be able to give yourself an excellent introduction to the subject of Roman coins.
Why?
Because you have said the that you need to do a bunch (I like the American incorrectness of that word ! ) first.

When I bought my first Roman coin, (a denarius of Antoninus Pius, with Annona & corn Ears reverse), I had no idea of what it was, and so decided to do some reading to find out. I went to a public library, and found a copy of
Mattingly's Roman Coins, which proved to be an excellent introduction to the subject. On and off, I continued to reading for the the next two years on the subject of Roman coins, using the denarius as my inspiration.

50 years later, I have a general collection of about 300 ancient coins that would be over 1,000 years old.
Parallel to that, my collection of American coins, also numbers around 300, includes some nice commemoratives, some early silver, and three gold coins - a sort of incomplete American type set.

I guess that makes me a 'generalist', not a specialist.
That is why I will always find the CCF such an important source of information. You NEVER stop learning.
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 Posted 03/17/2019  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
Some ancient coin collectors like Biblical coins, coins mentioned in the Bible or rulers and cities in the Bible. David Hendin's books are great for this area. A long time dealer once told me there are about ten ancient coins that have always been very popular, including the inexpensive Jewish bronze widow's mite, the Shekel of Tyre silver tetradrachm thought to be the thirty pieces of silver Judas was paid to betray Jesus, the Tiberius silver denarius thought to be the tribute (tax) coin that Jesus talked about, a Julius Caesar silver denarius, the Athens silver tetradrachms, etc. All of these can be found for under $500, some will be lower grade. Just be sure to buy from a well known trusted seller so you don't get a fake.


Here's pics of my Tiberius denarius and Athens tetradrachm.
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 Posted 03/17/2019  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list

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and Athens tetradrachm.


That's a beauty.
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 Posted 04/15/2019  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andy Herkimer to your friends list
After pondering over it for some time, I have decided to hold off until I have time to read up a bit. I will check out ancients for sale and if I see a coin I particularly like, then I will ask for the forums opinion. I kind of thought there might be a defining coin or coins, but it seems that ancients are so vast and varied. Thank you all for the insight and suggestions!
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 Posted 04/16/2019  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
Yes they are varied
A tetradrachm of Alexander the Great (lifetime issue) dates from the 320's BC while a coin of Constantine the Great dates to (approx) AD 320's
That's 650 years !
Or the same time frame as the "Black Death" bubonic plague of the 1350's to the present time
A lotta stuff happens in between !
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