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Darn It!! Bay Now Collecting Nys Sales Tax!

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 Posted 06/02/2019  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
Wowwwww T-Bop...you buy coins and something for your wife...impressive...I might try that...nope can't do it now that I have to pay tax. Just bid on some nice coins on the 'bay...from a foreign dealer with reasonable postage, similar to within USA, and no sales tax...way to go now.

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 Posted 06/02/2019  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list
I'm confused why some auction houses charge ST but others don't. At 8% ill keep with the no chargers as long as I can.
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 Posted 06/02/2019  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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On the flip side, it does help brick and mortar like your LCS even the playing field.


The playing field was already level from shipping charges. The majority of LCS that are struggling or going under are doing so because of their pricing and poor inventory or their lack of adapting to the times not because of sales tax. You could waive the sales tax for in person sales and they would still struggle.

It's a good marketing pitch they use to promote it with the idea it'll help the local store or the mom and pop shop, but the mom and pop still can't compete with Amazon and the playing field will never be level. It's impossible for any store even ones as big as Amazon or Walmart to have the same inventory selection that the internet as a whole has.


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I'm confused why some auction houses charge ST but others don't.


The legitimate ones all will be as the laws keep going live. Location was why a place like Heritage charged it in more places previously as they had physical presences in several states

Most of these laws have a minimum amount of sales that have to occur before the seller is responsible for collecting, but whether the seller does or not the buyer is still responsible to pay the tax if applicable.
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 Posted 06/02/2019  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
huh... I just purchased 15 coins on ebay from a foreign seller and I am being charged sales tax!!! All I get is an ebay call center person with an accent reading from a script that since I'm in NY I have to pay the sales tax. Emailed seller saying to cancel my wins.

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 Posted 06/02/2019  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
Update...Anything you purchase and receive in NYS you have to pay the tax...regardless of where in the universe it comes from. This is the law and has been the law. We all have to pay up.

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 Posted 06/02/2019  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list
I just noticed the sales tax charged to me in Missouri. I purchase high end pens regularly from the same supplier on ebay to give out to clients. I purchased 2 Friday night and noticed the extra charge to my credit card on Saturday for sales tax.
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 Posted 06/02/2019  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Update...Anything you purchase and receive in NYS you have to pay the tax...regardless of where in the universe it comes from.


That's how it is for every state, it's the buyers location not the sellers.
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 Posted 06/02/2019  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
It seems that was the states are passing the laws, ebay is instituting collecting tax for those living in that state...unless you file a tax exemption certificate with them. You're right baseball21, I guess I was just hope-in that they wouldn't tax foreign sales.

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 Posted 06/02/2019  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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It seems that was the states are passing the laws, ebay is instituting collecting tax for those living in that state...unless you file a tax exemption certificate with them. You're right baseball21, I guess I was just hope-in that they wouldn't tax foreign sales.


Yea that was essentially the whole Supreme Court argument of what should matter, the buyers or the sellers location. Once they said it was the buyers location than the sellers location no matter where doesn't matter anymore.

It does vary state to state and unfortunately for you New Yorker's NY isn't one of the friendlier states with it.
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 Posted 06/04/2019  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
Looks like I'll definitely be shopping more when there's an ebay bucks deal.
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 Posted 06/04/2019  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list
So a state can collect tax when an individual seller in one state sells to some buyer in another state? Isn't that the definition of interstate commerce? Why does the platform on which they are selling matter?
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 Posted 06/04/2019  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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So a state can collect tax when an individual seller in one state sells to some buyer in another state?


Unfortunately after the Supreme Court decision the answer to that is now yes. All that matters now is the buyers location.


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Why does the platform on which they are selling matter?


The platform can make a difference for who the burden is on. Many of the state laws have a minimum amount of business before the burden falls on the seller. Until it falls on the seller the buyer is the one responsible to report it.

E.g. the state has a 100k minimum and one person buys a 5k coin from your personal website and that is your only sale of the year to that state, in that instance the buyer is responsible.

Now when you sell on ebay, ebay is either being treated as a single entity so the business threshold is met in every state or they are just going along with it anyway instead of calculating what sellers it applies too and which one it does not. Could you challenge the ebay as a single entity thing, possibly but the problem is that the businesses with the resources to do so would be paying the tax anyways and won't fight to help their competition be cheaper.
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 Posted 06/06/2019  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
I think the 'bay is just protecting its are and going overboard...they don't want to put in the effort to monitor individual sellers.

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 Posted 06/07/2019  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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I think the 'bay is just protecting its are and going overboard...they don't want to put in the effort to monitor individual sellers.


It's possible that the laws just treats ebay as a single entity. I'm as critical of some of their decisions as anyone, but to be fair to them at least they tried to fight the decision while Amazon seemed to be supporting it
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 Posted 06/08/2019  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list

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It's possible that the laws just treats ebay as a single entity.


I'm not so sure it's the law that would treat ebay as the seller, or their choice. You are right about Amazon.

KK
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