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Advice On Gold Coin Purchase

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 Posted 10/24/2019  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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......the dwindling supply of gold from the nearby Comstock Lode


I thought the Comstock Lode was silver?

To answer your first question, I would buy certified and crack them out if I wanted them raw. Current premiums for certified gold pieces are very reasonable.

Post some pics when you can.
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 Posted 10/24/2019  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JacksinPA to your friends list
From the Wiki article on the Comstock Lode: The Crown Point-Belcher bonanza was discovered in 1870. The ore body extended from the 900 to the 1,500-foot level (275 to 460 m), having a length of 775 feet (236 m) and a width of 120 feet (37 m). The ore, the precious metal value of which was 54 percent from gold and 46 percent from silver, lasted only four years.

'The total production of ore extracted and milled in the Comstock District, 1860 to June 30, 1880, was 6,971,641 tons, 640 pounds. Peak production from the Comstock occurred in 1877, with the mines producing over $14,000,000 of gold and $21,000,000 of silver that year (about $329,393,750 and $494,090,625 today).

The Comstock Lode was both silver & gold. When first found, the placer gold miners from the 1849 California gold rush were only looking for the yellow of surface gold & discarded huge quantities of a bluish material that, when later assayed, turned out to be silver sulfide (Ag(sub2)S). This is a naturally occurring mineral form of the dark coloration that you clean off silver ware.

I'm new here & can't figure out how to upload the pix of my new coins. Please let me know how. Thanks!
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10/24/2019 9:48 pm
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 Posted 10/24/2019  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
My reference material on the Comstock is a chapter in a book titled Silver in the Golden State, which is primarily about silverware and plate. Gold was a secondary but important product of the mines. They were extremely deep and dangerous mines.

That part of Nevada fascinates me and I've visited several times. Always something new to discover. There are still some active mines, but it all looks like surface pile leaching rather than underground.

Photo uploading is fairly simple. You have to use the image optimizer to get the file size down to what will post, then save the optimized image, then upload and post it. The images you upload cumulate on the site so you can use them again.
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10/24/2019 11:46 pm
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 Posted 10/25/2019  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

As a new collector I say just keep away from Gold for now.
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 Posted 10/25/2019  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Gold and silver usually occur together in nature, it's just the proportion that varies. The Comstock was mostly silver with some gold, in California it was mostly gold with some silver.

[quote]Peak production from the Comstock occurred in 1877, with the mines producing over $14,000,000 of gold and $21,000,000 of silver that year (about $329,393,750 and $494,090,625 today).[quote]
You see that the value of the gold produced was 2/3rd that of the silver, but remember that the PRICE of gold was 20 times that of silver. $14 million in gold would be around 700,000 oz. $21 Million in silver would have been close to 21 million oz.
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 Posted 10/25/2019  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
It's unlikely that the Comstock gold ended up in the later cc planchets, but it was probably Western gold. Carson had a lot of issues, not the least of which were corruption and the proximity of SF. The assay office stayed open for years after, as did offices in places like Boise.
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 Posted 10/25/2019  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JacksinPA to your friends list
I just received the 1890-CC & 1893-CC $10 coins from Coast Coins & checked their numbers against PCGS. They scored 100%. I paid a hefty premium for the 1890-CC but only 17,500 were minted, making it relatively rare. And it is an almost uncirculated AU58. The 1893-CC was the last eagle minted at Carson City.It was graded VF35 & is beautiful.

The instructions given on uploading pix are unclear as I am not familiar with the 'photo optimizer'. It would be a lot easier if there were a pic upload button on the control panel where you create/edit posts.

Not to repeat myself, but Coast Coins will get my business from now on. Their stock is incredible & prices are reasonable. And you can't beat 2 day delivery to my P.O. Box. I've had people ship me stuff by Registered Mail & it took weeks to receive the item.
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10/25/2019 2:02 pm
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 Posted 10/25/2019  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Granted, the photo upload is tedious Jacks. Even when you get used to its foibles. But they can't load up on giant picture files here.

That hot blue mud is what made Comstock mining dangerous. The lodes weren't composed of solid quartz and granite, and they sloped steeply. The stoped timbering system developed to keep them from collapsing was clever and allowed the companies to mine then out very fast. The hills around Lake Tahoe were stripped of their big Ponderosa pine for timbers, which were flumed down to the Washoe Valley, then hauled up to Virginia City by the V&T Railroad.
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10/25/2019 2:49 pm
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 Posted 10/26/2019  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Correction. Carson City made their own planchets. The attached article describes planchet weight adjustment and recovery of the metal dust.

It's interesting that 90% of the bullion went to San Francisco though. Carson City was treated shabbily by everyone.

https://www.nevadamagazine.com/issu...t-2018/7303/
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10/26/2019 12:00 pm
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 Posted 10/27/2019  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JacksinPA to your friends list
Interesting article. Re my 1890-CC-1893-CC coins: 'Several years of production saw anemically low mintage totals, including 1870's 5,908 pieces, 1872's 5,500 pieces (some sources report 4,600), 1873's 4,543 pieces, 1876's 4,696 pieces, 1877's 3,332 pieces, 1878's 3,244 pieces, and 1879's stunted output of 1,762 pieces.

Just like in the half eagle series, 1891 saw the highest production of gold eagles at the Carson City Mint, with its 103,732 coins.

Again, according to Rusty Goe, survival totals are small for "CC" gold eagles. He estimates that no more than 3.22% of the original mintage total survives today, with the percentage probably under the 3.2% mark. This translates into a surviving population of no more than 9,655 pieces spanning 19 dates in the eagle series, with the actual total probably less. The 1891-CC date, according to Goe, accounts for as much as 46% of the entire population of "CC" gold eagles, which reveals just how rare most of the other dates are in this series.'
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 Posted 10/27/2019  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Over the last 20 years, I've bought well circulated cc's and early S mint coins when they were available at reasonable prices. Here's an example:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1874-CC-Li...AOSw065da0ft
Coins that used to sell at less than 2x melt now sell at 4x melt.

The scarcest eagle I have is an 1884-cc, and I've NEVER seen a raw pre 1880 cc eagle. They've all become hard to find, as even the shabby ones are being slabbed and marked way up. Here are a couple half eagle cc's.

Advice-On-Gold-Coin-Purchase

That V&T freight bill is much rarer than the coins....and cost $15....
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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10/27/2019 4:59 pm
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 Posted 10/28/2019  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
This ca 1859 high grade ore sample from the Ophir mine shows what they were mining in the Comstock.

http://www.marshallmint.com/index.p...oduct_id=268

A mix of crumbly blue argentite, quartz and gold flakes. A pretty spendy little rock...I prefer coins....
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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10/28/2019 12:32 pm
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 Posted 10/29/2019  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
At this point I'm rambling a bit, but oh well.....it involves a LOT of Morgan dollars....

From looking at old maps, the Comstock Lode was located approximately under F Street (3 blocks down the hill from the main street) and ran for a couple miles towards Gold Hill. The mines strung out in a line on top of it. The point of the big Ophir discovery is at the north end, approximately where there is now a public swimming pool.

The mines were crammed together, literally a city block apart. The Big Bonanza of 1873 was discovered 1100 feet underground about 2 blocks from the Ophir.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe..._drawing.jpg
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10/29/2019 1:38 pm
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 Posted 10/29/2019  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JacksinPA to your friends list
I received an MS64 1906 $2.50 which I sold to Coast & Coins for $400 ($75 less that I paid for it). In return I picked up an 1856-S $10 VF35 for $725 net. The SF mint started up in 1854 so I'm attracted to early SF coinage. I think I got a good deal. Should have it by Friday when I've scheduled my next visit to the safety deposit box.

They will quote on coins even in flips or 2x2s so I'm looking to do a physical inventory & send them the ones (Philadelphia) that I didn't sell earlier this year on ebay.
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 Posted 11/05/2019  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Because the price of gold is high, this is a pretty good time to find collectible gold coins. The prices aren't outstanding but the selection is good because people are cashing in, and this abundance is compressing semi-scarce dates close to bullion prices. Pre 1870 San Francisco double eagles and late mint New Orleans eagles are two groups in particular.

There's a question whether the market will ever absorb all these coins. One ebay dealer is sitting on five MS60 1892-O eagles plus a few AU's. They're not pretty, but they're priced well below PCGS list. Another dealer has been sitting on at least twenty 1890 AU50 eagles for months.

"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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11/05/2019 11:57 am
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