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Pillar of the Community
United States
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SeriousCERES, Thank you for that in-depth and very interesting read on French coins and your collecting.  to the forums--glad to have you here!  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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G'day & welcome to Ceres,
I collect French coins upto 1815.
In particular, 1792~.
My favourite coin is my 1811A/coq 40F, one of the very few error coins that I can muster any interest in.
I look at my 1815 Napoleons in awe: he was only in power for "le cent jours", but the Mint came over to his side and put out a few coins in his image. Coins are history, and some coins of 1815 pack a lot of history into 6.45 grams.
Then there's the 1792 bronze: made from church bells, with all the significance that pulling them down has.
Even the British gold Sovereign, which commenced in 1817, is connected: St George is a metaphor for England, Britain, the United Kingdom, King George III and/or Prince-Regent George (later King George IV) - take your pick; he is vanquishing the dragon, metaphor for Napoleon. They still use that design in the Third Millenium.
I won't take up space by prattling on about Marengo and Eridania, but students of this era will understand me.
What I've noticed is that collectors of French coins love their ecus, more so than the gold.
Peter in Oz
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Valued Member
Australia
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GDay again, this post is in two parts... The first relates to something that SeriousCERES said, and has got me thinking; SeriousCERES mentions the book Le Franc VII... As a guide to collectors of non-US types, why doesn't CC put together a list of the Known Catalogues that cover specific countries currencies. Such as (drawing on my limited collecting scope and knowledge): ***AUSTRALIA*** *Rennicks Australian Coin and Banknote Values: (Rennicks) 21st edition (2004) - Eddie J Cummings - ISBN 0958557497 (Rennicks Publications Pty Ltd) ... 15th edition (1990) - Dion H Skinner - ISBN N/A (Rennicks Books) ... *The Pocket Guide to Australian Coins and Banknotes: (Macca's) 15th edition (2007) - Greg MacDonald - ISBN 9780975124482 (Greg McDonald Publishing Pty Ltd) 14th edition (2006) - Greg MacDonald - ISBN 0975124471 (Greg McDonald Publishing Pty Ltd) 13th edition (2005) - Greg MacDonald - ISBN 0975124455 (Greg McDonald Publishing Pty Ltd) 12th edition (2004) - Greg MacDonald - ISBN 0975124447 (Greg McDonald Publishing Pty Ltd) ... ***GERMANY*** *Die deutschen Münzen seit 1871 (Jaeger Katalog) 19th Auflage (2005) - Kurt Jaeger & Helmet Kahnt - ISBN 3-924861-97-8 (Gietl Verlag) 15th Auflage (1991) - Kurt Jaeger - ISBN N/A (Münzen und Medallen AG) 8th Auflage (1976) - Kurt Jaeger - ISBN N/A (Münzen und Medallen AG) ... *Standard-Münzkatalog Deutschland seit 1871 (Beckenbauer Katalog) 3rd Auflage (1968) - Egon Beckenbauer - ISBN N/A (Numismatischer Verlag Egon Beckenbauer) ... And being quite interested in Numismatik Literature, I'm more than happy to help put it together once I start holidays... And the second part of this is connected with my earlier rant about the over-pricing of Third Reich coins... I direct readers to ebay Item Number 290274729633; a German 1935A 5RM coin worth some Au$12.00 (Catalog value) give or take a few $$$, currently sitting on Au$61.00! |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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SeriousCERES- Thank you very much for your input! Very interesting. Frankly, I'm quite glad to hear that you are a major collector of French coins since there really are so few on this forum.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
819 Posts |
SeriousCERES, welcome to the CCF and thank you for a well presented reasoned discussion on why you collect French Coins! I am glad that someone out there does collect them, and I know there are others.  I have a small collection of coins from France, it's just that there are other countries and series out there that interest me far more. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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SeriousCERES welcome to the forum and thanks for a well written post. We could use some more darksiders here and I would enjoy seeing some of your French coins if you have the time to post. |
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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19th Auflage (2005) - Kurt Jaeger & Helmet Kahnt - ISBN 3-924861-97-8 (Gietl Verlag)
Yes, Kurt Jaeger started the catalog; he died in 1975 but the catalog (now continued by Helmut Kahnt) is still known by his name. The current version is the 20th edition (2007), ISBN 978-3-86646-512-1 ... And yes, of course somebody here focusing on German post-1871 or post-1949 coinage would use such a catalog. Or maybe the Schön (Kleiner deutscher Münzkatalog, covering AT/CH/DE/LI, ISBN 978-3-86646-028-7). Similarly, if you collect French coins, the Gadoury catalog could be useful. (Monnaies Françaises 1789-2007, Editions Victor Gadoury; don't have an ISBN at hand.) The Krause/SCWC is fine if you collect what from an American point of view would be (all kinds of) "world" coins, and/or if you rely on English language literature. But it does not make much sense if you are, say, French and focus on French coinage ... Christian |
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Valued Member
United States
365 Posts |
Thanks to all for the warm welcome and comments!
I've gotta work on getting some images together of some of my more interesting acquisitions--but first, gotta pick an avatar. In the meantime, I'd love to hear and see more of what nifty French stuff you guys have, and will keep exploring the many links provided on the site.
Best Regards,
SeriousCERES
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3499 Posts |
SeriousCERES- awesome! I look forward to seeing some of your coins. Here is one of my favorite French Coins in my collection: Image:  Franceobv.jpg101.11 KB Image: Francerev.jpg100.35 KB |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'll put in my 2 Centimes here...French coins are neat. I've been trying to get the 5 and 10 Centimes pieces from the Third Republic. I've got a whole lot of them but there are a lot of them. I also have a certain affinity for the tiny little 20 Centimes silver coins from this period. However, I've got a LOT of French coins, especially if you include the colonials. How fun they are and what a great history lesson in them.
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New Member
United States
42 Posts |
I live in French-speaking Europe. I am shocked by the thread above! La numismatique is alive and well and VERY active in France and the francophone world. Par contre, the French are not very interested in American, British or Germanophone coins (I am however...). To appreciate French coins, one does need to understand a bit of French history which is not as straightforward as the British or American as some have noticed-- but easier to follow than that of dozens of German states pre-Bismarck. There are some fabulous portraits on French coins and beautiful designs (some by Duvivier and other master sculptors no less accomplished than Houdin's Washington) such as the Genius inscribing on French gold pieces in the 1870s (taken from Napoleonic silver). The rather dull coq d'or not withstanding, I would encourage people to collect French coins (look at medieval gold and as mentioned the ecus of the Louis and the testons of the renaissance, and the essais of the many pretenders). But, if you are interested in investing, you will do better to approach the French market in French and not on American ebay. They do not like slabs and they want you to know your stuff just like everywhere else... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5318 Posts |
Quenton, Thank you for providing a more informed opinion on the coins of France.  There are a lot of different opinions here, which probably explains why collectors pick one country over another to collect, excepting their own country of origin. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3343 Posts |
Most of the coins I have bought lately have been French. In part it's because they're more affordable than US coins I like. My interest is pretty narrow though - late Royal through pre Napoleanic, with a slight interest in the Republique 5 francs issues from the 19th century. I'd suggest going over to https://www. cgb.fr and having a look at their enormous collection of photos. For starters, look at anything designed by Dupre.... -5F Union et Force -The "genie" silver coins - 15 sols up to ecus. -The decimes and all their restruck variants. -The sol aux balances - some of the scariest coins I know of - from the period of the terror. Compared to 1793-96 US copper and silver these coins are every bit as attractive, and probably just as rare. How many 2 sols aux balances were ever made at Montpellier mint - and how often does one ever reach the market... The number of mints and overstrikes involved makes scarcity the rule rather than the exception. Grading is a little dicey, because there's very little slabbing, and corrosion doesn't seem to count against grade. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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thq- Do you have any pictures of your latest acquisitions? I'm quite curious.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Alas, I've lost access to being able to make good quality photos. I'll put up some scans in a couple days. Sometimes they come out OK..... But do go over to https://www.cgb.fr and look around. Their photos put my best ones to shame. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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