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Gold Rush Of 2008

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 Posted 12/27/2008  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list
I have a few gold eagle proof sets, including two four coin sets, one two coin set and a one oz coin. I think that is about 7 ounces? I am not much of a believer in a currency collapse and I think the FED will act quickly to rein in inflation in the future.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gawd0wns to your friends list
Clembo, what you are describing sounds like people are hoarding, combined with some people who are panic buying. Good for short term profit, but isn't it risky for a long term buyer? I wouldn't want to buy at $1000 and watch gold drop $200 in a week later on next year. In Canada, we have government backed deposit insurance for up to $100,000. Since I don't have that much, I'll be keeping away from bullion (except for my two silver maples!, and Canadian silver coins) and keeping my money in the bank.

Are there such protections in the U.S.?
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12/27/2008 11:08 am
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 Posted 12/27/2008  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage to your friends list
Platinum is really down in price, about the same price as gold. I've done some research online, the Automobile industry are BIG buyers of Platinum to build catalytic converts. The automobile industry buys 60% to 70% of the world's platinum and the rest goes towards jewelry, electronics and the medical industry. With the auto industry having tough times, the price of platinum is going way down.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list

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With the auto industry having tough times, the price of platinum is going way down.


But once, I believe in 2011, when demand pics up again and we're out of the quagmire, Pt will have the largest instantaneous price growth, probably back to the 2000-3000 range.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clembo to your friends list

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Clembo, what you are describing sounds like people are hoarding, combined with some people who are panic buying. Good for short term profit, but isn't it risky for a long term buyer? I wouldn't want to buy at $1000 and watch gold drop $200 in a week later on next year. In Canada, we have government backed deposit insurance for up to $100,000. Since I don't have that much, I'll be keeping away from bullion (except for my two silver maples!, and Canadian silver coins) and keeping my money in the bank.

Are there such protections in the U.S.?


Gawd0wns,

Yes we do have similar government backing here. Problem is there are a lot of people that have very little trust in our government or our banks.
I'm certainly one of them. They are not out for the "good of the people". They are out for the "good of themselves".

I'm not one of those people that has $100 bills stuffed in my mattress and I certainly don't have anywhere near $100,000 in the bank.
Been tight for me anyway but I do have enough in the bank to pay my bills and keep it that way. As for gold and silver I have a bit - worth more than what I have in the bank actually but it's not because I hoard. I've been at it a long time and never been afraid to jump on a good price.

I'll tell you this though. The people that are "in a panic" are not your average people. The big spenders obviously have money. I'm talking about a few doctors, lawyers and one is a retired stock broker. Not the kind of people one would generally associate with "panicking".

I would only sell right now out of necessity. I feel these metals will go up. When they peak I just may dump some and even put the money in the bank. When it's low I'd buy again.

It's never bad to have some gold or silver on hand as it is very liquid. The key is selling when you want to not when you have to. Unfortunately I see a lot of the latter these days.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bibd to your friends list

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Good for short term profit, but isn't it risky for a long term buyer? I wouldn't want to buy at $1000 and watch gold drop $200 in a week later on next year.


Generally, people aren't hoarding gold for the fear of unsafe bank deposits.

Rather, people are hoarding it for fear of impending inflation. There is no insurance against inflation, except to dump the dollar.

But -- like you -- I am also leery of gold's volatility. And for instance Pt rising in 2011 is no reason to buy it now.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
And the US dollar will NOT go into hyperinflation.

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 Posted 12/28/2008  06:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage to your friends list
I don't know a whole lot about stocks and precious metals. But I seriously think Platinum will not be as strong as Silver in the future. I actually believe that the world will be moving fast towards electric cars, or at least hybrids. The technology is there for electric vehicles and the look of these cars are modern, not TOO modern *outta-this-world* space car look- or the really dorky looking "Smart Car". They just have to modify the price of these cars through mass production. I mean, I could build a Delorian in my garage, but to do it right, it will take me 5 to 10 years and a quarter million dollars to build one car. This is why I think Silver would be a better investment; Silver is used to make Batteries.

Due to the current recession, regular people want to buy physical silver and gold because most people can't afford $100,000 to invest, so they buy gold and silver in coin form or small 10 oz bars. I believe Numismatics are going to be increasingly more popular as well. When you search for Silver, you can find it in 1oz Canadian (or U.S.) minted coins which is perfect for regular people to invest in... This will lead some people into Numismatics. This is how I ended up here!

Oh and, with Nickel, I think it's in the stages that Silver was, back in the late 60's and 70's. It took over 30 years for silver to get where it's at today... but due to the increased population and mass use of nickel world wide; I think it will take about 5 to 10 years for Nickel to gain some steady momentum. Nickel is used in many products, one of the main purpose is to use Nickel to plate steel (Stainless Steel). Steel is actually a really crappy metal, it rusts quickly. Once you add super "Space-Gold"(Nickel) to steel, you have rust free and STRONGER steel. Also, Nickel shines like Silver, but with out the Tarnishing. You know how stainless steel appliances are very popular in North America? We set world wide trends in North America and everyone in the world wants what we have. China is the worlds photocopier and they want to build their own stainless steel appliances and possibly sell it cheaper back to North America, this is why I believe China has horded so much Nickel in the past year. I mean, honestly, China is the king of counterfeit.

Anyways, I'm just rambling on.

I'm buying a couple 1oz Gold Maple Leafs on Monday, so its been on my mind lately.


Cheers!

James.
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 Posted 12/28/2008  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gawd0wns to your friends list
Maybe now would be a good time to stock up on all those post 1968 Canadian nickel dollars :)
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 Posted 12/29/2008  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage to your friends list
What if you went to the grocery store and tried paying for your food with gold or silver... will they accept it? If they agree, how do you prove your gold or silver is real and not counterfeit?
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 Posted 12/29/2008  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
Well, if it comes to that day, I will be on high alert and cradling my rifle... because paying with specie again means the end of fiat currency and this cycle of the economy, which undoubtedly will lead to distress, violence, and etc... so I hope it doesn't come to that.

And gold in Asian trading is up almost $15. Just a note...
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 Posted 01/02/2009  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fmtaxguy to your friends list
Okie-Colin, being in the biz that I am, please permit me to point out that the term "cost basis" has specific technical meaning in the tax world. When you say that "My cost basis is zero as they were a gift.", that is not accurate for federal tax purposes. Your basis is actually the cost the giver paid for whatever was gifted. Should you sell and report the transaction on your tax return, the difference in definition of cost basis could result in enormous differences in the amount of capital gains tax due. If you simply meant that it didn't cost you anything out of pocket, then, well, er.....never mind.
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 Posted 01/02/2009  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list
Okie-Colin, being in the biz that I am, please permit me to point out that the term "cost basis" has specific technical meaning in the tax world. When you say that "My cost basis is zero as they were a gift.", that is not accurate for federal tax purposes. Your basis is "actually the cost the giver paid for whatever was gifted. Should you sell and report the transaction on your tax return, the difference in definition of cost basis could result in enormous differences in the amount of capital gains tax due. If you simply meant that it didn't cost you anything out of pocket, then, well, er.....never mind."

Well since I said they were a gift and that I paid nothing for them than shouldn't it be fairly obvious that is what I meant? I don't want to get into a technical discussion about capital gains taxes on a coin collecting forum, but perhaps you might want to start another thread in the general coin forum about proper tax handling for those of us who have been gifted with collections and resell them.
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01/02/2009 5:03 pm
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 Posted 01/02/2009  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fmtaxguy to your friends list
Sorry. I didn't mean to offend. I have just learned to assume nothing. Was only trying to be helpful.
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 Posted 01/02/2009  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okie-colin to your friends list
I didn't mean to sound so snippy. My apologies to you. I actually think the information you have could be of interest to the forum and to me. I have often wondered how the tax codes handle inherited collections, bullion coins or other personal property that are sold by heirs when there is no way to determine the cost basis? You are correct that I used a term in my post that has other meanings.
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