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How To Spot Various Cleanings

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 Posted 03/05/2005  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Speedy to your friends list
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Let us know when the book is done...
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 Posted 03/05/2005  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list
Most can be seen with the naked eye if you know what to look for. That is why I am working so hard on this. Most collectors have no idea of what "tell tale" signs to look for. Now some original coins may exhibit the same characteristics, but it is far better to pass on one original coin than to be burned on one bad one.

Speedy, I will update anyone that wishes to know by email. Even though it may be allowed to self promote here on the forum, that is not my intention. For now, I am looking for late fall. If the publisher doesn't make it a cook book before hand.
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 Posted 03/05/2005  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collect4fun to your friends list
A cook book I can help with. I've spent 20 years in commercial kitchens.
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 Posted 03/05/2005  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by collect4fun

A cook book I can help with. I've spent 20 years in commercial kitchens.



I'm also willing to help. I've spent almost my entire life eating.
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 Posted 03/05/2005  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list
ND, will you be addressing other forms of alteration in addition to cleaning, e.g. dipping, whizzing, polishing?
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 Posted 03/05/2005  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list
Absolutely. Wiping, swirling, rubbing, whizzing, polishing, dipping, acid treatment, acetone, coin solvents, and a few others are all going to be coming up in the next couple of weeks. I want to have one thread for each type of cleaning so that it is easier to update.

Also, if anyone wants a hard copy of all the pics and info on the coin and its preperation, just drop me an email about which process. You will have to cover the postage though. Each process is several pages and plenty of good pics.
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 Posted 03/06/2005  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
ND,I finally got a chance to look at the pics. I have a couple of questions. What exactly are "rubberband" and "suffer" toning? How are they done?

Also, I know you don't want to self-promote, but I would definitely appreciate it (as I am sure other members here would also) if you posted here when the book is finished. I don't see it as self-promotion. A book of this type would be invaluable to all of us. I know I am anxiously awaiting its completion.
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 Posted 03/07/2005  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list
Not only are we all now awaiting your book, Will you be selling signed copies to forum members?
This was done as fund raiser on the Australian Coin forum
We all await your publication date!
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 Posted 03/08/2005  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list
If you grind up rubberbands they will darken copper coins in about a week. Sulfer is from ground up match heads. This has basically the same effect. Both will work on silver but often turns them very dark. It is used to hide minor bag marks and old cleanings.

I will keep the members here updated on the progress of the book. Currently, I am suffering through a strong bout with the flu, so my time is a bit limited.
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 Posted 03/08/2005  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SFDukie to your friends list
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Originally posted by national dealer

If you grind up rubberbands they will darken copper coins in about a week. Sulfer is from ground up match heads. This has basically the same effect. Both will work on silver but often turns them very dark. It is used to hide minor bag marks and old cleanings.

I will keep the members here updated on the progress of the book. Currently, I am suffering through a strong bout with the flu, so my time is a bit limited.



Hi ND,
Hope you feel better! If your infuenza symptoms started within the last 48 hrs there are a couple of medications which can shorten duration of illness- pm me for questions. If its past that time period get lots of rest, sleep and stay hydated!
Looking forward to the book and more info.
Did you see these pics at CU?:
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 Posted 03/08/2005  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by national dealer

If you grind up rubberbands they will darken copper coins in about a week. Sulfer is from ground up match heads. This has basically the same effect. Both will work on silver but often turns them very dark. It is used to hide minor bag marks and old cleanings.

I will keep the members here updated on the progress of the book. Currently, I am suffering through a strong bout with the flu, so my time is a bit limited.


It would seem to me that ground-up rubber would leave an almost sticky-type residue on the coins, making this an exceptionally bad idea.
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 Posted 03/08/2005  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kyra to your friends list
Speaking of cleaning, anyone else seen the Tarn-X commercial where they're dunking a coin (looks like a Peace dollar?) in that stuff? I want to scream every time I see that...

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 Posted 03/08/2005  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mila_cent to your friends list
Hi ND,
I am also interested in your book. I also am a new collector learning about cleaning, what can be cleaned and how without damaging the coin, grading, and most especially trying to determine what is considered a mint error or abuse from handling by previous owners. I like collecting all sorts of coins, so I don't have any favorites...yet. Those that I have seen posted by other members on the forum are really beautiful and I sure wish I had...oh well,...some day. I can wait. I'm patient.
Anyway, looking forward to your book. When your book is finished, will it be for sale in book stores? Thank you. God Bless.

My collection is for for my enjoyment and not for selling, [they will be passed on to my future grand babies, if my son ever decides to make me a grand ma.] :)
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 Posted 03/10/2005  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list
The book will be available at all major book stores along with specialty stores like coin shops. Other than my publisher being a complete idiot, things are moving well. The whole reason that I embarked upon this project was to help the new collector. Learning the subtle differences in cleanings takes studying many coins over and over again. While no book can teach it all, it is my sincere hope that at least it will give a basic understanding. A baseline if you will. Too often, dealers ignore the new collector. The authors of the coin books seem to follow this same logic. It is as if they were born with this knowledge and expect others to be the same. Since we know this to be different, I am gearing this book towards the average collector who wants to understand how cleanings look and why they effect the value of the coin so much.
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 Posted 03/10/2005  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list
Which is why your book will be such a benefit to the numismatic community. Let's face it, a very large part of that community is made up of new or uneducated collectors. Any form of help that can be offered to them is a great benefit.
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