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biokemist6, I congrat you on your degree. I guess you know your stuff. I still think this is AT to a coin. O.K steve199 I respect your decision. I guess I just would not put any solvents on or even close to my coins. http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/...t=1238807602 |
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Wrong- organic solvents(acetone, xylene) do not tone coins in any way and will not remove toning. How can you possibly say that something that will not tone a coin can create artificial toning 
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Why not let the coin be NATURAL? Once you "clean" a coin it is NOT the same anymore. I will always disagree when someone says clean a coin with (acetone,xylene). Not that you might be wrong but because this is an alteration done to the coin. Even if it does not tone the coin you are still changing the coins natural state.
Try cleaning a nice toned coin with one of this ridiculous "organic solvents" and send it to PCGS to get certified and see if they won't notice the alteration of the coin. I can almost guarantee you will get it bagged.
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04/04/2009 4:19 pm
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Here is the thing you are not getting- this is not cleaning, it is conservation and there is a big difference between the two! NGC has a sister company(NCS) whose purpose is to conserve coins using some of these same methods. There is no alteration to the coin whatsoever so no, PCGS or anyone else for that matter would never bodybag a coin dunked in acetone or xylene because that process leaves no trace. This is not the same thing as dipping a coin in E-Z-Est or Jeweluster, those chemicals will strip toning and impair luster and that is definitely cleaning. Is leaving PVC residue or other kinds of muck on a coin leaving it in "its natural state"? I guarantee you that any legit TPG will refuse to slab a coin with PVC residue. If the PVC has not pitted the coin yet, the residue can be successfully removed and then the coin will slab. There is nothing natural about surface contaminants on a coin, especially when those contaminants can cause damage to a coin over time. Cleaning damages a coin, conservation protects it.Edited by biokemist6
04/04/2009 6:43 pm
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Hummm....every coin I've submitted has at least received an acetone rinse. I've gotten exactly one bodybag, but that had nothing to do with my acetone rinse. Biokemist is absolutely dead-on correct here, there's a HUGE difference between conservation and cleaning. If not, then NCS wouldn't be in business.
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Everyone has their opinion and this is an alteration to me. Although I agree both of you know your chemistry and all. So, only because the Acetone or other bad stuff like that doesn't leave any trace to you guys that is ok right?
Does not seem fair that this are some of the things coin Docs do and sell the coins to unsuspected collectors out there. I guess that is ok as well.
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I have to wonder. Maybe you prefer contaminants to stay on the coins so they will keep toning.
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THIS IS NOT COIN DOCTORING  |
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So, only because the Acetone or other bad stuff like that doesn't leave any trace to you guys that is ok right? Yes, of course, especially when the alternative is an easily-reversible process which will inevitably damage and ruin the coin. "Don't clean the coin" is a perfectly acceptable position. "Allow the coin to be ruined through inaction," not so much. |
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Maybe not leave the contaminant there but why try to remove it? You're only replacing it with Acetone right? Which of course it's perfectly fine right?  |
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You're only replacing it with Acetone right? No, the acetone evaporates away. |
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I know it evaporates steve199 but it's still an additive on the coin. Maybe it doesn't do any damage to the coin at all. I might be very wrong but I just don't thing it's right and still consider it altering. When I buy a coin the first thing I do is " NOT " buy it if it has a chunk of something stuck on it. Second, unless I found the coin and it has something stuck on it but I like the coin then I simply put it in my (not the best quality coin) section.
Everyone does what they want to their coins and everyone has their own opinions. I've only collected for 11 or so years. I wish I knew all the answers to everything but all I can do is speak/write my mind out.
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but it's still an additive on the coin. This is the point you are missing. |
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right steve199 right...  |
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