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1958 Wheat Cent Double Die Obv

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 Posted 07/26/2023  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbieee to your friends list
We are finishing a dining set and then we are going to get a camera with a macro lens. I already have one packaged ready to go to fed ex tomorrow.. if we weren't working 16 hour days id of been days ago. I geuss seeing it in hand I know what the glare does and how to look past it in the photos. There is clear separation on the majority of the devices. Looking at that 8 in the date of the photo I posted today I cant figure out how one would not see doubling. The serif starts east of the main 8 then crosses the right side of the main 8. It almost looks like tripled die with the dies going clock and counter clock
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 Posted 07/26/2023  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MizzJesi to your friends list
Hey Sam coin,

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Photos aren't very good, but I can say it definitely isn't the big one, and the big one is the only doubled die for 58 that isn't pretty much trivial.



Maybe I'm gonna look dumb here, but what is "the big one?
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 Posted 07/26/2023  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list

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Maybe I'm gonna look dumb here, but what is "the big one?


This one is the big one. It's the 1958 P WDDO-001 http://doubleddie.com/365001.html

The only other known Doubled Die for 1958 P is a minor one listed on CopperCoins.com. https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/die...ie_state=mds
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 Posted 07/27/2023  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CherryPicker1 to your friends list
All you need to do is search " DDO" on ebay to see 90% of the listing are regular coins using glare to make them appear as doubled dies, sadly many less experienced collectors end up paying money for these coins that they've been tricked into thinking are genuine varieties.
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 Posted 07/31/2023  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbieee to your friends list
I got a camera but I am having trouble with glare or it being too dark for the camera to pick up the doubling.. any suggestions? Here's a couple images where the doubling only shows in various spots probably due to my inexperience taking macro shots. I tried spinning the coin and taking photos from different angles. Either the glare covers the doubling or I can only show parts at a time due to glare or darkness. The B & R in Liberty is very hard to capture since it is so small
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 Posted 07/31/2023  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbieee to your friends list
Close up of Liberty where you can tell loops are in the wrong spot inside of the B and my best shot at the W and S which isn't saying much. I cut a chunk of white coin tube about an incb and a half long and placed it over the penny to cut some glare
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 Posted 07/31/2023  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list
New photos are much better. I now feel 100% confident saying this is not a doubled die. You were just getting confused by the glare.
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 Posted 07/31/2023  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbieee to your friends list
I dont understand how I am taking these pictures wrong.. we can clearly see all letters are doubled with no glare. Am I just giving it too much light?
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 Posted 07/31/2023  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbieee to your friends list
A picture can make a ton of difference.. I started doubting myself. I was just using way too much light
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 Posted 07/31/2023  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CherryPicker1 to your friends list
When we say glare, we're talking about the white outlines surrounding one side of the letters. While it may appears as doubling to those who are less experienced in analyzing images of varieties, it is simply the light playing tricks. Any coin can look "doubled" if you have the light create an outline on parts of the letters.
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 Posted 07/31/2023  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbieee to your friends list
I totally understand now.. ive never tried to take pictures of coins until here in the past couple months. I just decided to take a picture basically in the dark and then it pictured what ive been seeing.
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 Posted 07/31/2023  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CherryPicker1 to your friends list
I would highly recommend purchasing a USB microscope, you can get them from ebay for $15. They can produce VERY nice closeups of the devices on coins to show split serifs and letter separation so you can confirm whether a coin is truly a doubled die.
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 Posted 07/31/2023  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Newbieee to your friends list
Ok, ill have to try a different brand. I did buy one a month or so ago and had non stop trouble so I just bought a camera setup but still figuring it out in spare time. Typically I only check silver for varieties and it is much easier for me to spot since ive been collecting silver for a couple decades.
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 Posted 07/31/2023  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list
Again, this coin is not a doubled die. You can stop posting pictures of it. If you want a USB scope for future coins, it's a great investment, but you can give up on this one.
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 Posted 07/31/2023  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
There is no doubling anywhere on this coin. It's all glare and lighting.
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