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2013 D Cent With Another Date And Mint Mark?

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 Posted 02/28/2024  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list

Looks like a vise job to me, PMD not an error.
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 Posted 02/28/2024  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list

Can you post up a full coin image?
It looks like intentional damage by having another coin crushed against this one (Vise job).
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I was skeptical as well believing just about anything can be faked nowadays, until I couldn't find any type of tool mark or any real type of damage to the reverse image shouldn't that PMD leave some kind of scuff or do....something ? I just find it difficult to think that there would not be done kind of collateral damage to the image

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Hypothetically if it were a genuine piece would it also be an elliptical? Idk it just doesn't look round to me at all... from one side.
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Also if a coin has more than one type of error, be it machine error or DD or any kind of different error, what error family does the coin get placed in? Also it just occurred to me that if it was some PMD wouldnt it be over the mint image and not under it? Just a thought. And a thank you Mr whiskers and j from T for the directory assistance
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 Posted 02/28/2024  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list
I'm seeing damage on the Obverse photo. Likely crushed in a vise.
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Well shucks that is a let down it was graded ms 68 (by a coin app)( my town has 200 people so no actual appraiser close by)
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That coin is nowhere near MS68.
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 Posted 02/28/2024  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
to the CCF and vise job. As far as no reverse damage, it's damaged also. They may have used a piece of leather or something else to protect the reverse. One more thing, as stated above, not even close, if I were you I'd stop using that app.
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There are numerous reasons why this is clearly not a mint error, but rather as a result from two coins being squished together.

- The font for the "second date" is different - it wasn't a 2018 Lincoln Shield cent that put that there, it was from a 2018 nickel.
- The actual date of the second date, as you've already pointed out, is 5 years after the first.
- The second date is written mirror-incuse, not raised. That means that whatever did the pressing of the second date was a coin, and not a die.

You would need an extraordinarily improbable chain of events to create such an error in the Mint - you'd need to make a perfectly normal cent in 2013, have it float around in the mint undetected for five years somehow, then somehow land in the coin press while it was striking nickels in 2018, and to have the ejector in the nickel press fail so that it isn't ejected, land in such a way that it get squeezed by an actual nickel, rather than by the nickel die, and to have the press then running at such low power that the whole thing doesn't become a mangled mess.

Making such a coin outside of the Mint, on the other hand, is extraordinarily easy: take a normal 2013 cent, and a normal 2018 nickel, and put them in a vise, or some similar tool capable of squeezing two coins together. Or even maybe just put the two coins, stacked on top of each other, underneath a piece of wobbly furniture and leave them there for a couple of years. Plated zinc is softer than cupronickel, so the zinc cent will take damage first.
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SAP has provided a fantastic description of a lot of reasons it is PSD.
There is a lot of information that will make even more sense in the future, as you continue collecting.
(The font style used on different denominations, the incuse letters, etc.)
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