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It is also called a Cartwheel Penny due to it's large size. They all are dated 1797 only.
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If it weighs one ounce it's a penny. If it weighs two ounces it's a twopence. They both have the same general appearance, though the twopence is about 40mm wide. Have fun!
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@Liskay  - My 1797 1P George lll Cartwheel is a dark copper colour and about 35 mm in diameter. It is much more worn than yours. Your coin has been heavily cleaned in the past. Edited by Sharks
03/31/2024 12:28 pm
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If it's 35mm it's a Penny. If it's 40mm it's twopence.
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 Centre prong of trident . If it points inside the N its 2p if it points outside its 1p now you'll never forget  |
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such subtle changes to denote value - if in a rush you may not notice - or the ques may get so long as folks study their coins as to not pay too much..
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Yes. Not the easiest of coins to handle. Being pure copper they smelt a bit, though I'm sure most of us did in those days, and imagine the damage they did to peoples pockets being so heavy! Almost makes you glad the price of copper went up so much before the 1806 issue!
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My two Cartwheels Two Pence and Penny Nice pair!  |
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Well. Just thought I'd share this. Managed to get a copy of Peck's "English copper .... coins...." 1970 edition. Vast array of Matthew Boulton coinage from this period, and the number of patterns and proofs made my jaw drop so far I fell down the hole in my tooth! Then there's all the 19th century restrikes, some of which were deliberate mules. Just as well it didn't include all his trading tokens and their derivatives! Mind seriously boggled...
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such subtle changes to denote value - if in a rush you may not notice - or the ques may get so long as folks study their coins as to not pay too much.. The big difference in practice is that the penny weighs 1 ounce and the twopence weighs 2 ounces. This means the twopence is noticeably larger, and significantly thicker. Not really something you can mix up that easily. Of course this isn't going to be visible on a photo, so other ways have to be found to tell the two designs apart in that context, which is where all those subtle changes come in. (I'm not very confident that those changes were even deliberate, TBH.) US coinage from that period has the same problem - wide range of denominations with essentially the same design, and there's a lot of small details that help figuring out if it's a dime or a quarter or a dollar or whatever. |
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