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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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gotta work on those photos moniker. I know youre struggling with that but once you find the sweet spot you'll have it.
a couple fingerprints on the obv. blotchy toning, reverse looks completely flat and void of its original skin. your photos? maybe but can't tell. angling a coin does not help.
silver tones in the following sequence
1. yellow gold
2. Brown
3. Blue
4. Red
5. Green
6. Purple
7. Black
all toned coins will eventually go black. you should see this progression in the color shifts. your photos are not really good enough to say its natural or not. the 4th obv photo is the best to see the colors but its at a sharp angle
i think its natural however the reverse photos presented are presenting a cleaned coin. I'm at AU details (cleaned)
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's either and AU-58 or MS-63. Really hard to tell from the photos. Your first reverse photo makes me think it has not been cleaned, surfaces look original.
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Pillar of the Community
 Sweden
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Thank you all, shes very hard to take photos of. Rev is strange like a thin layer of toning ontop It mirrors underneath. Possibly the most photographed coin in history yet I fail to deliver  First photo direct sunlight Second my phone visible in reflection Thankful for your patience Fingerprint 3 obv       Edited by Moniker
05/15/2024 10:46 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36905 Posts |
These latest photos make me think it's MS-62. Lots of scuffs on the face.
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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Edited by Moniker
05/15/2024 11:09 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'll say low MS, maybe MS-62?
Errers and Varietys.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
18725 Posts |
the first obv new photo is about the best you can expect. note that setup and scrap the angles unless asked for them. they just clutter up the thread.
toning should not look like its sitting on the surface of the coin. it comes from the light refraction on the fine hairlines on the surface not visible to the eye caused by oxidation. you would see thicker oxidation around the edges, this is why the darker colors are there first.
Artificial toning usually shows abrupt changes in color versus the continuous graduations often seen on naturally toned coins. Also, artificially toned coins are often first chemically stripped of all toning then treated with sulfur compounds or other chemicals and then heated. When one chemically removes the oxide coating, the coin's flow lines that are present on a uncirculated coin are partially removed. This results in a dull coin or one with a significant loss of luster. this can also occur if any chemical was used to clean the coin but was not rinsed properly leaving a coating on the surface and enhancing the oxidation process
your coin is tough call on either method. one thing you can do that we can't is rotate the coin. looks for that luster on the surfaces. for a coin at this grade level that luster should still be there. if its not then there is a good chance the original surface was stripped off and re-toned.
it is a common coin so it doesn't make that big a difference in the value of the coin. I'm going to call it AU58 details (cleaned)
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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Thank you all for inputs.
Panzaldi do you mean chemicaly cleaned since there is no harilines?
Can they still be like mirrors if surface is removed with cleaning?
Edited by Moniker
05/15/2024 6:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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Its bad we can't post vids both side shows cartwheel reflection
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:
do you mean chemicaly cleaned since there is no harilines? the term hairlines may not be the correct term. if you were to put a coin under a microscope you are going to see ridges regardless of how smooth the coin looks to the eye. these very fine lines on the coin trap dirt, grime and oxidation from the sulfur in the air. Quote:
Its bad we can't post vids both side shows cartwheel reflection you can...you can create a video and post that. if you attempt to do that lighting is critical, be careful how you hold the coin and most important rotate the coin very very slowly. most folks who post vids move the coin too fast and the vid is worthless to see the surfaces |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like a heavily toned MS-63 coin that someone did a botched dip on. Usually you can't dip a coin that has very heavy toning. I don't think that will details it but I'd personally net grade it down to an AU-58.
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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ty fenton, if dipped would it still retain mirrorlike finish?
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Pillar of the Community
Sweden
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So a little followup on this particular coin since I enjoy followup. This was a early not so Lucky purchase. It had a dull reverse and a problematic obverse. So now I dipped the back since its not a valuable coin. But only halfhearted since I dont want to remove the toning on the front because a like it.so I had to dip carefully. But atleast the reverse is more pleasing to the eye. So now I can enjoy looking on this coin even If its not a gem.and it serves as a reminder    |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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i know you are attempting to show us the "reflective surfaces" by angling the coin. thats not helping. all we need in most cases is a straight on shot full cropped image unless asked for.
Can they still be like mirrors if surface is removed with cleaning? No and your coin is not exhibiting mirror like surfaces. its lighting.
the coin was dipped and then the chemical had not been washed properly. it was then improperly stored for quite a while resulting in the mottled toning. add improperly handled to that also with the fingerprints.
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