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I'm not a fan of it, but it IS market acceptable.  |
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United States
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Toning is a limited market to begin with. Bigger than you think, but still smaller that the whole.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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First off - the color of the background is different in both pictures so I'm guessing the actual toning on the coin has been enhanced to make it look more prominent - so who knows what it really looks like in hand.
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United States
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the color of the background is different in both pictures Caused by the angle of reflected light. Toning changes appearance at different angles, so maybe it changed to get the best representation for each side. |
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't think toning can simply be market-acceptable or not. PCGS has a Details 91 grade specifically for Questionable Color. That cut line might be objective or subjective, but it does exist at the most prominent grading company.
I think when people ask, "Is this artificial toning?", most of the time they equate that to "Would this straight grade at PCGS?", even if they haven't asked that explicitly.
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I don't think toning can simply be market-acceptable or not. Sure it can, and you just showed how! "Would this straight grade at PCGS?" can be translated to, "Is there a market for me to sell this?" Being in the slab makes is much easier to sell. You put a toned coin up for auction. It either sells for a healthy price—because there is a market for it—or it does not. Or, it sells at a paltry price to someone who does not know better—thinking they got a deal (or they just liked it), and not due to lack of competition (no market). Instead of trying to determine if the toning is natural or not, just decided whether or not you would pay a premium for it. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 I bought that nickel in April because it amused me and I thought it was fun. In the purest sense of the market, that artificial purple and gold patina was market-acceptable because money changed hands. There is no way in Heck that coin would ever straight grade at PCGS. Therefore, I stand by my claim that the question of whether a toned coin is market acceptable is NOT the same question as whether toning is natural or artificial, which in turn might not even be the same question as whether a particular toned coin would straight grade at PCGS. |
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was market-acceptable because money changed hands. See what I said above about competition setting the price. One person does not a market make: Quote:
You put a toned coin up for auction. It either sells for a healthy price—because there is a market for it—or it does not. Or, it sells at a paltry price to someone who does not know better—thinking they got a deal (or they just liked it), and not due to lack of competition (no market). |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looks like natural toning to me.
Errers and Varietys.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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"Market acceptable" toning has been argued about in the past, is argued about in the present, and will be argued about in the future........ everybody has their own opinion on it including the TPGs it seems.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I will peruse the other threads, of course. I hadn't really intended to take up the opposing side of a long-standing objective vs. subjective debate. It was fun for a bit, though! =)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Time to get the terminology correct.
There is no such thing as Original nor
Artificial Toning . The proper term is
MARKET ACCEPTABLE.
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New Member
United States
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Toning looks artificial, but wow,,,.hurt my neck turning it trying to see your pictures.
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I will peruse the other threads, of course. I hadn't really intended to take up the opposing side of a long-standing objective vs. subjective debate. It was fun for a bit, though! =) Indeed.  Quote:
Time to get the terminology correct. There is no such thing as Original nor Artificial Toning. The proper term is MARKET ACCEPTABLE. My champion!  |
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