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 to CCF. Yep, these would be die chips 
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There are several types of mint errors. Die chips and breaks and such are known as "die errors" since they happen on the coin die and thus show up on coins struck after the die is damaged. This is different from "die variety" since these anomalies (RPMs, doubled dies, etc) happen during the die making process, and thus are present on every coin struck from those dies.
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Edited by rmpsrpms 09/05/2024 10:35 pm
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 To CCF! Nice Die Chips. 
Errers and Varietys.
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Nice die chip example. 
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 to the CCF. I agree with John1 on the Die Event diagnosis. Die Chips, Cracks, etc. are part of the natural degradation of the die, and by definition, should not be considered an error.
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 to the CCF
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The problem with calling something an "event" is that most anything that happens can be classified that way. Thus a brockage is a "striking event", as are off-centers, die caps, etc. A DDO would be a "hubbing event" while an RPM would be a "mintmark punching event". We need to be more specific in our terminology, not less.
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@rmpsrpms, I don't have a problem calling this an event, because it is not an error. From Merriam-Webster: : something produced by mistake a typographical error especially : a postage stamp exhibiting a consistent flaw (such as a wrong color) in its manufacture.
By definition, Die Chips are not an error, so consequently they cannot be described as such.
Perhaps a better way to describe a Die Chip, Die Crack, or things of that nature would be, Die Event, specifically Die Chips, Cracks, RIDB, etc. This should apply to any anomaly that doesn't meet the definition of "error".
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Folks have been arguing about these definitions for decades, and it's doubtful we'll ever come to an agreement.
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I believe that a die chip should not be labeled as a Mint Error. However, with TPG companies now labeling them as such, it is apparently becoming a trend as with this PCGS 1955 "Mint Error" graded "minor die chip in date" coin. To me it sets a bad precedent, but I guess it's now a thing. 
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With TPGs calling them errors, they just see the the $$ from attribution services. There are many more coins with chips than errors or varieties out there.
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It has been a thing for a long time. "Mint Error" encompasses pretty much all the things that can happen due to the striking process, including damage to the die resulting in chips and cracks and such. Many folks feel that Die Varieties should also be called Mint Errors, and there is some merit to the argument, but I personally don't agree since they are not the result of the minting process.
That said, I also personally don't think that minor errors should be listed as such. They don't add value to the coin.
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Edited by rmpsrpms 09/11/2024 3:09 pm
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Quote: With TPGs calling them errors, they just see the $$ from attribution services Quote: also personally don't think that minor errors should be listed as such. They don't add value to the coin. Yes the TPG's are out to make $$$, and indeed the minor errors don't add true value. I do believe TPG's are necessary to coin collecting and do appreciate them because they identify/confirm valuable coin errors. I've not purchased any coins (besides, sealed Mint Sets) but if I were going to buy a "valuable" expensive coin I would want it to be graded and encapsulated, or at least from a known ebay seller. The minor errors on graded coins to me, take away from the true valuable error coins.
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