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1965 Dime Special Mint Set Has Serious Die Clash?

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 Posted 11/20/2024  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
https://www.coincommunity.com/go/li...s-pr68-dcam/ Yes this is for a graded proof. A clash on a proof is a lot more rare than a business strike.
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 Posted 11/20/2024  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
John, I think that immediately prompts the question: do you categorize the 1965-1967 SMS strikes as closer to business strikes, or closer to proof strikes?
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 Posted 11/20/2024  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list
It is a Nice clash.
The set is worth between $14 and $19.00, with a clashed die on the Dime it could bring an extra $10.00 to $15 on a good day.
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 Posted 11/20/2024  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeanious2011 to your friends list
I seen a PCGS 36446944 later year 1989 that is business strike with similar clash and was priced crazy high but also seen another one that was 1967 that was listed (NOT SOLD) for 250.00.

Not a collector of error coins so I accepted the 50 dollar offer. SOLD!
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 Posted 11/20/2024  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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do you categorize the 1965-1967 SMS strikes as closer to business strikes, or closer to proof strikes?
Closer to proof, is my opinion. More so for 1967, less so for 1965.
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I'm still trying to understand how the TPG's can use a proof designation on grading for Special Mint Set coins.
A "Proof" designation is the method of manufacture, not the "look" of the coin. (For Morgans they use "proof-like")


SMS coins are not produced the same way as proof coins, are they?
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Not a collector of error coins so I accepted the 50 dollar offer. SOLD!


Congratulations!
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SMS coins are not produced the same way as proof coins, are they?

While that may be true, it is also true that SMS are not produced entirely the same way as business strikes. They are a hybrid between the two: http://goccf.com/t/451007#3894848

According to that post, business strikes are normal dies, normal planchet, struck once. SMS are polished dies, normal planchets, struck once. Proof are polished dies, polished planchets, struck twice.

Also worth pointing out—the Special Mint Set mintage numbers resemble proofs, not business strikes.
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Congrats on a $50 sale for that coin! =)

I think that's a fair price for a nice clash on a pristine SMS coin still in the cello. Certainly far more than the typical $5-10 for a decent clash on an ordinary coin.
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SMS coins are not produced the same way as proof coins, are they?
Sort of. 1965 coins are slightly better than business strikes. The dies were polished (some might be over polished) and that was about it. Things got better for 1966 and the 1967 coins come closest to proof in process.
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Looks like Brandmeister posted while I was typing and trying to find a good source.

Worth repeating...

http://goccf.com/t/451007#3894848
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Thanks for the update & congratulations on your sale!
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According to that post, business strikes are normal dies, normal planchet, struck once. SMS are polished dies, normal planchets, struck once. Proof are polished dies, polished planchets, struck twice.
There's your answer. Along with this.
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A "Proof" designation is the method of manufacture, not the "look" of the coin
And $50.00 is fair.
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I like this clashed dime. Congrats to the OP and the buyer.

So, they are proof-like but not proof coins and yet they get "proof" grading designations.
The TPG's sure know how to muddy the waters to increase their profits.
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SMS coins do not get proof designations. They are a third grading category at PCGS: MS, PF, SP.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/cate...06-date/1929
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