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Chinese Kwang-Tung 7.2

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 Posted 01/15/2025  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
Have you submitted your coin to either PCGS or NGC to have it authenticated ?
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 Posted 01/15/2025  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
I did. They say my coins are counterfeit and did not give reason. I provided all information, image in natural light, size, weight, silver composition, image of edge tooth. I do not think they consider those things. What they do is to see whether the coin is similar with coins they already graded. I do not collect coins like they graded, It is so obvious strange to take as real one.

That is matter of business, business logic, the way to make money. Does not matter of genuine or fake. Auction house get that kind strange coins then grading company put in holder then sell high price. They get more money is first consideration, not collector, not genuine or fake.

The grading standard and system is not what we think. I do not know how they grade common coins. I see all rare pattern coins are obvious not stamping pressed not natural patina.

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 Posted 01/15/2025  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
It seems they do not look into detail, Otherwise it should not be difficult to recognize those coins are not stamping casted. If do not see detail then do not be surprised they do not judge from patina.

Then expertise, grading professionally, authority in coin grading are not really same as we think. They have standard https://www.pcgs.com/grades but they do not follow when assess a rare pattern coin.
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 Posted 01/15/2025  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
This are they grade as SP




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 Posted 01/15/2025  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
PCGS is correct. Your coin is counterfeit. If you believe PCGS is incorrect then submit your coin to NGC but you will receive the same response.
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 Posted 01/15/2025  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
When I say something I tell the fact and give full support.

Sorry, I do not want impact other people's business. I make revise and do not say too much.

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01/15/2025 12:57 pm
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 Posted 01/15/2025  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list

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Sometimes it is hard to accept the truth.

So every coin certified by PCGS is fake and only yours is genuine?
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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 Posted 01/15/2025  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
I do not say that. I only say what I saw graded Chinese pattern coins. And when I say it is not correct I provide the image of graded coin. I do not dare to say something no fact support.
The point is pay attention to detail. Be careful. Things may not same as you thought.

When I say my coins are genuine I also have fact. These images show clearly natural patina that represents the age.


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 Posted 01/15/2025  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list

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When you say PCGS is correct, please explain those graded wax mold casted coins. Do you think they are stamping casted? How you see coins strike?


The strike quality of Patterns of this coin are considerably inferior to your coin. This is obvious by researching known graded examples According to researchers this is consistent with the fact that although the Kwangtung Mint had received the proper machinery and dies, it did not receive proof presses or the proper machinery to produce a special planchet.
You actually provided the proof not knowingly that your coin is counterfeit.

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 Posted 01/15/2025  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
Two things I already talked many times. casting method and patina.
It is not difficult to identify from detail if it is stamping casted or mold pouring casted, About patina, even you do not know patina should form from coin/item itself, do not know how the patina should distribute and say it is natural, you can simply see the tone, the color. You must know what is natural rust color. That is so simple.

Here to see what is natural patina/tone
https://www.youtube.com/@MansbridgeCoins
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01/15/2025 1:11 pm
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 Posted 01/15/2025  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Everest to your friends list
The coins you posted above are all artificially toned and counterfeit. Your Mausoleum dollar and Tuan Chi-Jui dollar are very obviously artificially toned. I know that you believe you are right and all the experts at PCGS are wrong
Let me leave you with this.

Under the Customs Tariff, the importation into Canada of base or counterfeit coins is prohibited. These coins can be seized by the CBSA with no terms of release. "Buying, smuggling and possessing counterfeit currency harms Canada's economy by encouraging the black market. Border services officers are very vigilant and all offenders are subject to sanctions and legal proceedings."

- Annie Beausejour, Regional Director General, Quebec Region, Canada Border Services Agency
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01/15/2025 3:20 pm
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 Posted 01/15/2025  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
This talk already breakaway the fact. No much worth to reply. I do not change your judgement. But please do not confuse people. About customs these coins are antiques. I bought so many Chinese antiques from US never see any problem. When I import these coins the box was opened and checked by agency in person.

Talk about patina, the fact is, it is natural rust color, the color is consistent with the base plate color, inseparable from the base plate and it is integration with the base plate, and uniform. That is how I judge the patina formed from inside of the coin. You do not need learn this, only talk your story.



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01/15/2025 11:21 pm
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 Posted 01/15/2025  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list
Those look like fakes. Where in the world did you get that coin?
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 Posted 01/15/2025  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
captainmandrake1, I do not know how you got that impression. Because looks strange for you? These are uncirculated prime pattern coins, from a family collection in US always kept as collection. But here we pay attention to the coins themself. They have such great quality because they should be the first few tested coins. Unbelievable but nothing wrong. Anybody can give opinion but please talk and question something with meaning.

Images in upper response were took in natural sun light that show show the patina/tone more clear. Taking photo in different light may show big color difference.

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01/15/2025 3:52 pm
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 Posted 01/20/2025  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antiqueeye to your friends list
New edge photo




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