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Pillar of the Community
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SuperDave where does the 148 reeds come into the picture, you mentioned 189 and 157 but 2 more people have 148, and please show me the differences between my dollar and Chapman,
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I cannot see the reeding in the photos.  Are we confusing reeds (on the actual coin edge) with denticles (on the edge of the coin surfaces)? |
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New Member
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i am countint the raised parts of the coin looking at it face on. Not the ridges along the edge
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New Member
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so it seems I am counting denticles?
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Pillar of the Community
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It would appear that way. I cannot see the reeds to count those. Reeds are the ridges along the edge, that you see when looking at the coin from the side.
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New Member
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i am really sorry, I know nothing about coins, I live in england and have a silver dollar, and reading various descriptions it seemed I had a Chapman, (last week the word meant nothing)but now it seems not, whatever I have it is a great coin to look at, it weighs 28 gramms ish (kitchen scales) measures just over 38mm with my sons plastic ruler apart from the photos it has a sheen,shine that seems to defy its age, its 88 years old and looks really good and defined, I guess my storage methods need a lot to be desired, the photos I posted on photobucket to show it in "flash" light, the naked eye cant see any imperfections, but I agree it looks like someone somewhere "scrubbed" it, else its a result of some wear I cant describe, I am a skilled sheet metal worker, and I know polishing marks, buffing, etc. the abrasions on the coin are too rough for polishing, again this was only visible with the camera, but perhaps before I got the coin (pre late 60s/early70s) someone tried to clean it with some rough method, or was cleaned because was genuinley dirty, it would have been well over 40 yeas old then, when I received the coin and an aunt told me it was a "real silver dollar" and until last week when I decided to try and sell sone vinyl singles on ebay I looked at silver dollars, since last week my dollar seemed to point toward something special, if it is, ok it needs to go to someone who apreciates it, if not it goes back in the coin bag, thats all. I just need to know. |
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ok, reeds, the ridges around the coin? mmm hope the eyes can dount those, here goes
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New Member
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SuperDave, my pictures you showed on here show some slight radial scratches to the left hand side of the "heads" side of the coin, where are the same scratches on the right side of the coin to indicate "wizzing"?
also on the "tails" side, where are the abrasions to match? I would like you to show me as in previous messages the points that differentiate the Chapman to a normal dollar with regards to the talons, as you did with the "scratch" in the ear. The main point I am making is that I have a coin that seems to fit various charastictics of a Chapman, you say not, but the talons and fletch seem the same, please indicate as you did with the mark in the ear what else I need to look for, because apart from the scratches on the "heads" side the coin seems in very good condition for a general circulation, or selective circulation coin.
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Are we confusing reeds (on the actual coin edge) with denticles (on the edge of the coin surfaces)? Oops, my bad.  |
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The reeds are on the edge of the coin. None of the pictures presented have shown any of them.
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I am confused!!
SuperDave, your quote!
"The reverse dies, called D1 and D2, are characterized by these features: There are 17 berries in the wreath of D1, and 16 in D2, with the extra berry being found at the viewer's top right - D1 has a berry on the inside of the wreath here, and D2 does not. The top arrow fletch of D1 meets the eagle's talons at the center talon, whereas with D2 the fletch meets the eagle's talons between the right (viewer's left) and center talons. The olive branch on D1 is noticeably weaker than D2 in this area.
The coin shown here has the characteristics of a D2 reverse, most easily visible through the talon features I mention. Chapman Proofs used the D1 reverse. This coin, therefore, cannot be a Chapman Proof"
Qoute from "COINFACTS"
"Chapman" Proof, named after the Philadelphia coin dealer, Henry Chapman, whose name appears on a Mint invoice (dated June 11, 1921) selling him "10 proof silver dollars 1921". For years, the mintage was thought to have been limited to only the ten coins, but now we know that additional "Chapman" Proofs were struck. PCGS alone has certified 40 examples, the finest of which is a single PR-66 that far outshines the 13 PR-64's that are at the next level below. The only Proof Cameo example graded by PCGS is a single PRCA-64. "Chapman" Proofs are super brilliant and have only 16 berries in the wreath on the reverse, as opposed to 17 on the "Zerbe" Proofs. Additional die characteristics include a hollow area around Morgan's initial on the truncation line on the obverse (caused by die polishing) and light die striations around UN, AM, and RICA on the reverse.
You say the Chapman uses "D1" reverse with 17 berries? but the coinfacts page stares the Chapman has 16 berries, so it must use the "D2" die? this is so confusing. the 2 texts contradict each other
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Here's a Chapman Proof, currently residing in a PCGS PR64 slab (images borrowed from Heritage Auctions):   The details of the arrows/talons:  Here's a D2 reverse, from my own collection:  You can clearly see the differences in the thickness of the olive branch, and where the top fletch meets the talons. I'm not sure where Coinfacts got their information (both the Chapman and Zerbe proofs used the same reverse die type), but I disagree with it. The 17th berry is vestigal at best. Here's a D1 reverse from my collection - it has one of the strongest 17th berries I've seen (note, the scratch in the detail pic is on the slab and not the coin):   It's likely that the polishing process removed most of the 17th berry for the Chapman proofs, but one can still see some of it in the example I've posted here. |
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Where is the mint mark on his coin? the mint mark on mine is an "s" just above dollar on the reverse. I don't see one on his.
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