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Israeli Coin? | Replica/Fantasy Ancient Judaean

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 Posted 02/07/2010  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eleven713 to your friends list
hah! wonderful story. when my mother in law introduced this coin to me she was curtain she had struck oil. after reviewing it and others like it, I knew something was fishy about it. one thing was the condition of it. I couldnt imagine a 2000 year old coin found in a few inches of top soil near a tractor barn here in east texas could be in such great shape. second, although hebrew text looks like nothing more than chicken scribble to me I could see a difference between it and others like it.

i must say the knowledge between all of you on this forum is absolutely amazing, and I appreciate you taking the time to help me out. you cant imagine how many hours I spent rummaging through photos and pages of history trying to get an exact id on this thing.

although the coin drove me nuts for two days I must say its been very educating and very interesting. and although I'm relieved to know what it is, I must say I'm almost sad the quest is over, lol.

couple questions for curiousity...
How much was the face value of the coin?
How much would this be worth now, if it were the real thing?
And why would people go through the trouble of replicating such a thing, and in doing so why would they use modern hebrew versus ancient hebrew? I would think anyone who could read or write hebrew can tell the difference.. maybe the coin was meant to be identified as a replica?

anyways thanks again for the help and great history lesson, its actually been a lot of fun. now, time to go burst a bubble! :D
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 Posted 02/07/2010  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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How much was the face value of the coin?

The original coin this was based on was a small or medium-sized bronze coin of the second revolt. We don't know what the Jews themselves called these coins but they were made by overstriking a Roman or Roman provincial coin; the smaller ones were overstruck on a coin denominated an "as", the medium ones on a "dupondius".

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How much would this be worth now, if it were the real thing?

It's hard to say, because genuine ones don't usually come this "well preserved". This one sold for $410.

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And why would people go through the trouble of replicating such a thing, and in doing so why would they use modern hebrew versus ancient hebrew? I would think anyone who could read or write hebrew can tell the difference.. maybe the coin was meant to be identified as a replica?

I think so. They're not intended to fool an experienced collector of ancient coins, nor someone that actually knows ancient and modern Hebrew.

I haven't been able to find out exactly where these came from, but they all seem to turn up in America, so I'm guessing they were either a giveaway in a "Reader's Digest" style promotion for a book on ancient/biblical things, or they're sold to tourists who visit Israel. In Israel, ancient coins are considered "antiquities" and buying and selling them is strictly controlled, but buying and selling fake ancient coins is quite legal. If these do actually come from Israel, the use of modern Hebrew might help the customs agents tell them apart from genuine coins.
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 Posted 02/08/2010  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list
It's hard to pinpoint when the changeover took place between the written "ancient Hebrew" & "modern Hebrew."

But to clarify, "modern Hebrew" is not exactly "modern." It's about 2,300 years old, whereas "ancient Hebrew" as a written language is significantly older than the Torah & the Ten Commandments, which was over 3,300 years ago.

According to Jewish tradition, Hebrew was the very first language of mankind. Likewise, Hebrew is considered to be the one language spoken by the united mankind before the dispersion connected with the Tower of Babel, about 3,765 years ago.

This "ancient Hebrew" is "officially" called "Paleo-Hebrew." This lasted till about 1,875 years ago. This is around the time of the coin in question & is the script of the coin in question.

After this came the evolving into "Aramaic, " which lasted from about 3,000 years ago till about 1,600 years ago. Hence an overlap. Then came "modern" Hebrew, which came about 2,300 years ago until present times.

According to contemporary scholars, the Hebrew alphabet is a stylized form of the Aramaic alphabet, from which it descends and evolved from during the period around 2,300 years ago. Prior to this, Hebrew was written in the Paleo-Hebrew alphabet by the ancient Israelites,

If anyone wants to shed more light on this, feel free.
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 Posted 03/10/2010  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add redlove55 to your friends list
Hi. New guy here. I found this exact same coin in Kilgore, Texas 15 years ago on my job site. That's strange two of these coins were found in East Texas. I, too, thought I had stumbled upon a gem. I searched a few years back for its identity with no luck. I recently found the coin in storage and thought I'd try again and here I am. Disappointing but good info to know. I gather from what's been posted that these are novelty trinkets and do not belong in a coin collection. Too bad.
Thanks, guys for all the information.
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 Posted 04/06/2010  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seabeemurph to your friends list
so how much is this replica worth
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 Posted 04/06/2010  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Not much - a coin dealer would probably sell you one for a dollar or two.
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 Posted 05/23/2010  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluecrab38 to your friends list
I have a very similiar coin and would like to know where you found it and what you know about it if you don't mind.

Thanks
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 Posted 07/13/2011  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jordan937rose to your friends list
I have one of these as well!
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 Posted 08/27/2011  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list
Just found two of them lucky I remembered this posting thank you guys for being memorable didn't have to stress about it, just searched for Hebrew tree here at CCF
nice! looks just like OP pics.
one is half the thickness of the other which has nice patina with just a touch of green trapped at the bottom of very sharp details and weights 5.13 Grams
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 Posted 04/03/2013  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sherijeff to your friends list
Question, I have a simular coin to this one but, the coin dealer stated that it contained some gold does that make mine real or fake?
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 Posted 04/03/2013  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list
You'll have to post a photo of the coin.
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 Posted 07/21/2013  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Melbury Lodge to your friends list
Glad I found this page and can finally put this coin to rest: I've had one of these for about twenty years, and always knew it had to be a fake considering where I found it-- on the floor at Wal-mart.
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 Posted 10/20/2018  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1959Franklin to your friends list
I know the post is over 5 years old but I have recently come by one of these Fake/replica coins. I would like to ask if anyone knows what year the fakes were made , and if the fakes have value ? Some fakes could be as old as modern Hebrew. Someone also told me this theory of the coin, That Robert Tilton famous TV Minister of the 1980's out of Dallas TX was giving away these coins with his prayer requests through the mail. Which would date them to the early 1990's if true. Anyone with other input please respond
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This is a very old thread. To answer your question as far as I know these fakes are still being made. They has no historical or collector value.
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