CCCS And ICCS

Double Eagle,
I totally and 100% agree with you ABOUT us TPG's. one or 2 are a lot better than others there.
It also depends what your objective is for grading. Collecting, or re-selling.
However, Canadian TPG's do make mistakes. Out of 75 coins I sent to one back east, 9 were not correctly marked in known varieties.

I think it's a combination of both. Some collectors collect graded ranges and want their coins certified only for that reason. Also, there are coins that sell better ungraded (on grade speculation) and there are coins that sell better graded. It all depends. As far as the US TPGs, it's always a dilemma. I don't agree on lack of consistency from US TPGs, you can argue that in certain cases some disparity exists between PCGS/NGC and ICCS but I find NGC (I'm an NGC dealer) and PCGS are generally more technically consistent in coin grading than ICCS. One of the reasons is that they eliminate problem coins from numerical grading. Many people will say that Canadian copper is graded far better and more consistently by PCGS vs ICCS. Admittedly the ICCS name is what currently rules the Canadian coin market and coin values are generally determined on those grades. One big difference is that both of the large US TPGs have 3 or 4 graders grading each coin anonymously to arrive at a grade. That's a good thing. As far as the ICCS error rate, that sounds high, however I did have an 1858 FV not attributed correctly this year by ICCS. I also had a previously graded 1948 $1 AU-55 come back AU-50 from ICCS. For the record I've had attribution errors from both PCGS and NGC as well.The biggest problem with CCCS is the absolutely ridiculous turn around times.

"9 of 75" variety's came back in-correctly attributed. Could not have been ICCS or you didn't do the following.
1.) Only variety's recognized in Charlton are attributed.
2.) They don't look for variety's unless YOU bring it to there attention.
3.) It comes at a additional cost of $6 per coin and to be paid when submitting.
If all of the above were done when submitting then I am sure your coins would have been properly attributed.
Always when I have submitted to ICCS any variety's they have been properly attributed or came back with a explanation of why it wasn't attributed.

@Pacific...If it was ICCS then I'm sure the poster submitted his coins to ICCS for grading and didn't know that attributing any variety's is a additional service provided. The $11-$15 fee is for grading the coin only and attributing variety's is not included in this fee. I'm sure if it was ICCS then this is what could have happened.

Not all collectors send there coins to ICCS so they can get top dollar for them. I have never sold a single one of my ICCS graded coins. I keep them all and just keep adding to my collection. To me it would be like selling one of the family.

Coinhunter....I have always thought that '3 or 4 graders for each coin' at PCGS is pure BS.

They also state that if there is a difference of grade a 'third' or 'fourth' grader is brought in to decide.

Now I ask you...If three or four graders have to agree on the grade of a coin each and every time, then how in blazes could there be such great inconsistency with PCGS grading.

I've sent the same coin to PCGS three separate times (and not just one coin, but many others) and I have never received the same grade back.

I'm not just talking about adjacent grades. Rather an ms62 to an ms64 to a ';cleaning for hairlines'.(how can four independent, skilled graders agree three different times on three totally opposite grades?)

Imagine yourself (which I assume you're a capable grader) and three of your very knowledgeable coin collectors grade a Canadian coin.

You're telling me all four of you are going to grade the coin completely differently 6 months later. Not a chance.

PCGS charges an incredibly high fee for a product I feel is less reliable than the much more affordable ICCS grading.

Granted, the ICCS flip and lack of website has some large issues to deal with, but for pure grading consistency while considering total cost of grading, I feel PCGS (and NGC) are a 'joke'.

I like both TPG Services (CCCS/ICCS) equally, they have the human factor involved and they have off-days/moments just like everyone else.

I like to look for the off-days/moments coins that are under graded and those that miss noting errors/varieties.

i personally like the ICCS company better, and I hope they get a website soon!

CCCS does have a website, but I find it silly that you cannot find a single picture of a hard slab anywhere on that website. I would think that a potential customer would like to see that...