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Squeeze Job Or Clashed Die?

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 Posted 06/30/2006  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list
I've been trying to find out for the last hour if images and lettering should show up normal or mirrored from clashed dies. It seems like they should be mirrored. If the dies are negative to begin with-(incuse/ mirror)then when they strike each other the imparting images should be Positive or as you would see it on a coin. Then, it would seem, when those dies with those images strike a planchet those images should then show up reversed or mirrored.

However I don't believe this is a clashed die error or any other kind of error. The dead give away is the Memorial Pillars across Lincoln. The raised parts you see on a coin are cavities in the die. It's hard to believe that those Pillar images would make it into the cavities. It doesn't even seem mechanically possible. Clashed dies typically impart outlines from the edges of the cavities or images that are very shallow.



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 Posted 06/30/2006  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
yes thats the main way to tell, if its a clashed die the area's will be raised instead of valleys
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 Posted 06/30/2006  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorfinder to your friends list
longnine009, and to all whom this concerns... sorry for the confusion. I do apologize. I was wrong letters(and others devices) on a clashed do appear backwards (as though mirrored).no excuses I made a mistake.not my first most likely not my last.my intention was to be of help...not hindrance."I've much yet to learn much more myself"
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 Posted 06/30/2006  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list
It looks like a clashed die. IF it was a squeeze wouldnt the letters in LIBERTY be indented like the other coin was being inprinted into this coin. I really dont know much about this but its just my insight.
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 Posted 07/01/2006  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
well, Liberty is on the obverse so that side is correct, its the reverse picture over the obverse picture is what we are talking about and if you look closely the Lincoln Memorial is not raised its going into the metal
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 Posted 07/01/2006  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list
Ok I didnt really look at the obverse. It is probably a squeeze becuase its indented and not raised
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 Posted 07/01/2006  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list
I just looked at the auction and someone told the guy it isn't a clashed die and that it is a squeeze job. THe seller even said it is most likely fake and he will let the auction run
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 Posted 07/01/2006  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Diane to your friends list
What is the difference between a clash and a squeeze? (And I'm not talking about lovers' quarrels.)
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 Posted 07/01/2006  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorfinder to your friends list
Diane, a die clash happens when the two dies strike each other with nothing in between them,this leaves some of die's devices impressed upon one another.[at the mint] then when a planchet is struck between these clashed dies the coin struck shows some of the reverse devices on the obverse and/or some of the obverse devices on the reverse sometimes just the obv. is affected, some others only the rev. is affected. a squeeze is a homemade impression being squeezed onto a coin like in between a vice using two coins,or sometimes two coins will be stacked upon each other then struck with a hammer thus leaving the impreesion of one coin upon the other.[at home vs.the mint]
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 Posted 07/05/2006  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
Well I found a coin like this in my change, although a different date. It had the same indents - and it was deemed a squeeze job. Can someone post a pic of an actual clash because all I have seen have been proven fakes.
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 Posted 07/05/2006  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy29 to your friends list
Classic faked squeeze job.
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 Posted 07/05/2006  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
although not a cent this morgan shows clashing on the reverse in the leaves of the wreath from the libs on the obverse and you can clearly see its raised and not indented like you see on coins that have been squeezed together

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 Posted 07/06/2006  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The_Cave_Troll to your friends list
Here is a very heavily clashed 3 cent nickel.

The imprint of the reverse wreath and the first I of III can be seen on the obverse (the I is seen below Liberty's cin and less prominently above and below her hair). The reverse is spectacularly clashed with a triple (at least) imprint of Liberty's profile appearing in the field and her neck in the top open area.

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Basically a clash is damage to the FIELDS of a die since those are the highest points of a die. The fields are damaged when they strike the openings (recessed areas) on the opposite die and retain a ghosted image of the opposite die's outline. Then when a coin is struck it shows the ghosted image on the fields only and the clashing is not visible on the raised portions of the die.

I hope this helps!
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 Posted 07/06/2006  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy29 to your friends list
Die clashing AND a serious Retained Cud on the same coin. Cool three-center!
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 Posted 07/06/2006  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laxmaster92 to your friends list
113$ it went for!
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