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French 1821 Silver?

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 Posted 07/05/2006  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list
Sounds like a French medal (I don't recognise it as a coin).

Try running the inscriptions through the Babel Fish Translator. It's not 100% accurate and is easily confused, but it should give you some idea on the reason for issue of the medal. You do need to include all the accent marks when typing in the French words.

My opinion: it seems to have something to do with mining. "Decouverte" is indeed French for "discovery". It looks like some king of mining scene on one side; I assime it's celebrating some kind of precious mineral discovered and dug up since 1717. A silver mine, maybe?
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 07/05/2006  03:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thekidcollector to your friends list
There was a Larghe Gold mine in the 1700's discovered in France and many people were sent to work there as order of King Louis iix.

TKC!

Should be a Medal commemorating find of maybe gold, I could be wrong.
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 Posted 07/05/2006  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by scoutjim99

I would say it is commemerating something and is likely newer than 1821 just by the way the coin was made ( I could be wrong ). I think it might be a medal of some sort. When you flip the the coin from the edge, does the front (obverse) line up with the back (reverse)?



The so called coin or medal strike
Many countries do just the opposite so I do not bother to look since I cannot remember which country does what
Belgium even has an A and B position for the rim lettering
some bringing much more money then the other

If it is a coin apart from the sovereign and the kruger it should have a value on it in my limited knowledge
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 Posted 07/05/2006  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
I tried to look but it is only 72 dpi out of focus
So I cannot read the text
I think it is a modern medal

I speak french ; if you type the text I will translate
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 Posted 07/05/2006  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thekidcollector to your friends list
It seems modern. We need larger pics though!

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 Posted 07/05/2006  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trcmedic to your friends list

Text reads" DESANDROUIN TAFFIN ET COMP. AUTEURS DE LA DECOUVERTE EN 1717" and "MINES D'ANZIN, FRESNES, VIEUX-CONDE * DEPARTEMENT DU NORD"[img] uploaded/trcmedic/200675104323_Coin French 1821 side 1.jpg uploaded/trcmedic/200675104426_Coin French 1821 side 2.jpg[img]
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 Posted 07/05/2006  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trcmedic to your friends list
I'm having a heck of a time with photo postings. I'll keep trying.
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 Posted 07/05/2006  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trcmedic to your friends list
YEAH! Next I'll work on two photos /one reply. Till then here's side 2.French-1821-Silver?
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 Posted 07/05/2006  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trcmedic to your friends list
I have found Anzin to be a town in the "Department of the North. Zone 59"
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 Posted 07/05/2006  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by trcmedic


Text reads" DESANDROUIN TAFFIN ET COMP. AUTEURS DE LA DECOUVERTE EN 1717" and "MINES D'ANZIN, FRESNES, VIEUX-CONDE * DEPARTEMENT DU NORD"[img] uploaded/trcmedic/200675104323_Coin French 1821 side 1.jpg uploaded/trcmedic/200675104426_Coin French 1821 side 2.jpg[img]



A certain DESANDROUIN TAFFIN and compagnons are the instigators of the Discovery in 1717
Mines are located in the following villages ANZIN, FRESNES, VIEUX-CONDE
Department of the North (which is presumably close to Belgium )
So yes it is a commem
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 Posted 07/05/2006  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
Of course I should have known better having worked in the region
This is were the french coalmines are
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 Posted 07/05/2006  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list
I found this 1833 original
given to the shareholders as token of their presence


http://ventesuroffres.free.fr/image...v08_1833.jpg
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 Posted 07/05/2006  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list
ageka you are right on different countries using medal allignment vs coin allignment Canada for one uses Medal Orintation, it was just some kind of starting point
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 Posted 07/07/2006  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trcmedic to your friends list
Well if anything coins can spawn history lessons.
Pierre TAFFIN inherits title and holdings as "Seigneur of VIEUX-CONDE" His friend Viscount DESANDROUIN owns the castle located at Trieu of FRESNES. Good coal vein discovered in 1717. These two gentlemen formed the ANZIN Company. 1756 there are 1500 miners. 1789 there are 4000 miners. The mines produce til the 1900's.

Thank you All for a place to start searching!!
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07/07/2006 11:41 pm
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 Posted 07/08/2006  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
trcmedic: Coinage history is one of the main reasons that we all collect coins. Yes, this was a good lesson for us. Thanks everyone for your contributions and assistance to trcmedics thread.

As an added note, foreign coins/collectors are referred to a "darksiders" on the CCF. Enjoy!
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