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 Posted 06/05/2010  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
That's what a recession is, hoarding of money in any form... the economy contracts. One things for sure, for sure; increased taxation has resulted in a large scale barter economy. No cash changes hands, nothing to trace or tax.
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 Posted 06/05/2010  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
NO, of course. However, soon all our monitary systems here and in other countries will be in such turmoil, the only way we will be able to buy anything is with the barter system, animal pelts, Wampum and Beanie Babies. In many areas baseball/bootball cards too will be accepted for payment of smaller items.
Gasoline for your cars will soon be about $30/gallon so a tank of gas would have to be paid for with your wife as collateral. You leave her at the gas station and drive off into the Sunset.
To really answer you, try thinking of paying for anything at Walmart with Gold or Silver bars. Even now those cashiers want to have you arrested for using half dollars or a $2 bill.
Don't worry about our dollar. Worry about the value of a Peso. Soon to be more common in the USA.
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 Posted 06/05/2010  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add parkquarters to your friends list

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Not if banks have their way
good point!
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People wouldn't ever spend the gold and silver and would just hoard it.
great point !
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That's what a recession is, hoarding of money in any form... the economy contracts. One things for sure, for sure; increased taxation has resulted in a large scale barter economy. No cash changes hands, nothing to trace or tax
i like the way you think !
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Don't worry about our dollar. Worry about the value of a Peso. Soon to be more common in the USA
thats certanly possible. what an imagination just carl! thanks for all of the insight everyone with the lower coin mintages now adays and fewer wage enners I got to thinking that the treasury is trying to get all of the money back and slowly distroy it and replace what they distroy with fractional silver & gold coins to stengthen are currency so other nation currencys wont dominate ours imho
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 Posted 06/05/2010  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list

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Gasoline for your cars will soon be about $30/gallon so a tank of gas would have to be paid for with your wife as collateral. You leave her at the gas station and drive off into the Sunset.


Then I'll starve to death if I have to leave her there. My dogs and cats don't know how to cook!
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 Posted 06/05/2010  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Billie to your friends list
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Gasoline for your cars will soon be about $30/gallon so a tank of gas would have to be paid for with your wife as collateral. You leave her at the gas station and drive off into the Sunset.

Where is that station?
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 Posted 06/05/2010  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
So,what happens when you need another tank of gas?
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 Posted 06/05/2010  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list
The past events have shown that the economic impact of the dollar crashing will not be limited, it will be worldwide, and pulling in tow all the others, because of that, the dollar will never crash, because the government will not allow it and all the other countries worldwide will also help not to let that happen.

We are all in the same economic boat, so gold and silvers wont ever make it back into real currency
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 Posted 06/05/2010  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StJoeBlues to your friends list
When the dollar crashes, there won't be enough gold available for the US to go back on the gold standard. China and India have bought up too much of it.

When the dollar tanks, the US will need to have something tangible to back our currency in order to recover. The only asset that is sizale enough and that is available to the US government is land. The gov't will be able to use all the federal lands to back the new "dollar." But that won't be enough. They will also be able to seize your house as they take ownership of all the property that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae own through your mortgage.

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 Posted 06/06/2010  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
No, the power behind the global fiat system is too much. All money is imaginary and it will stay that way forever. There's no going back to where money is backed by something tangible. If it every gets to that point, total anaracy will ensue.
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 Posted 06/06/2010  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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Do you think the dollar will crash in this recession and we will go back to the gold standard only being able to purchase things with gold & silver coins ?

The dollar might crash or it might not, but you definitely won't go back to the gold standard if it does. Or the silver standard, or any other precious metal standard. There just aren't enough refined rocks to go around anymore.

If the dollar collapses, it can simply be replaced with a new fiat currency once the economy restabilizes. And it doesn't have to be as radical as adopting the Amero or some of the other out-there hypotheses you might see floating around. Just lop a few zeroes off the old dollar to create a new dollar. Simple. Lots of other countries have done it in the past.


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The only asset that is sizable enough and that is available to the US government is land. The gov't will be able to use all the federal lands to back the new "dollar."

That's been tried before too, in France in the 1790s after the Revolution, when the government confiscated all the lands belonging to the Church.

The problem with land as a store of value is that calculations of its value depend on there not actually being much land for sale at any one time, because buyers of land are relatively few and far between. Using it for backing a currency effectively dumps a huge quantity of land on the market all at once. The result is a massive oversupply and resulting collapse in value of the land, with resultant collapse in value of the money backed by that land.

To compensate, the French government printed more and more "land-backed" money, safe in the knowledge that no-one was rich enough to actually redeem it anymore. The result: the world's first period of hyperinflation. The problem was admittedly made worse in France because all the people who could have theoretically afforded to buy up all that land (ie the nobility) were being rounded up and executed.
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 Posted 06/06/2010  02:31 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Not in this recession. The USD will hold up for at least 10 years. Maybe 15 years if we play our cards right.

There is too much debt and too many unfunded liabilities to handle looking out 15 to 20 years but that's a long ways off.

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 Posted 06/06/2010  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
If fiat money were to crash we'd be going to the nuclear weapons standard. Those with technology and military would get what they need to survive, albeit in modified form.
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 Posted 06/06/2010  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add parkquarters to your friends list

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Political issues may also impact the nature of currency changes, in that a lack of confidence in a new government may temporarily diminish the value of the nation's currency on the open market. Once confidence is restored, the currency will tend to rise and investors can consider the currency to be a worthwhile investment once again. When currency fluctuations are due to political factors, the impact is often short term, although it can be long term as well.
Maybe we should save are dollars so when then economy recovers are dollars will have more purchaseing power
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 Posted 06/06/2010  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daveg131 to your friends list
There is no fiat currency that has ever lasted in the history of mankind, the Federal reserve note is no different. Can't pay debt with more debt, eventually the ponzi scheme crashes. But the vast majority of the general public has no clue what the difference between currency and money is, so the fraud will just start over again for another 30-40 years.
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 Posted 06/06/2010  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
While I approve of moving to history for lessons, there has never been a time like this in history where there was ONLY fiat currency and instant global communications.

It's not going away. It may devalue over time as inflation eats it, but that's true of anything.
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