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1877 Trade Dollar: Info Found

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 Posted 06/07/2010  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list

Man! Awesome detail! Congrats on a real beauty!
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 Posted 06/07/2010  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
Thank you, I have been trying to perfect my photography. I might end up putting the coin for sale here. I got the coin because I couldn't pass it up for the price. Not to mention it's not that bad looking either!
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 Posted 06/07/2010  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TDColl to your friends list
You may have a rather scarce variety here: Note the blunt tail on the are of DOLLAR, and the absence of periods after FINE or DOLLAR. In Bowers' Complete Encyclopedia of Silver Dollars... He notes "fewer than a dozen seen to date" (1993) and "not in Walter Breen's Encyclopedia."

You might want to check in with some of the experts on the CU forum, or the Gobrecht Society.
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 Posted 06/07/2010  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TDColl to your friends list
Errr.. it's late and I'm tired.. that's "R" of DOLLAR, not "are" sorry!
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 Posted 06/08/2010  06:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
Interesting. I see what you are talking about. How would this get pat NGC? Something is definitely going on with the are like you said.
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 Posted 06/08/2010  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
TD if you could post a link or a scan of the page that mentions the variety it would be greatly appreciated. There are no traces of any periods and the are is definitely cut short. Whatever variety you mentioned this seems to be it.
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 Posted 06/08/2010  06:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
Anyway, looks like I am going to have to get the sledge hammer out and crack open this coin for resubmission and attribution.
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 Posted 06/08/2010  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
Do VAMs exist for Trade dollars like Morgans and Peaces? If so do they command some of the same outrageous prices that some of the top 10 Morgan VAMs do ?
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 Posted 06/08/2010  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TDColl to your friends list
Hi Coins92, I doubt if NGC or PCGS will attribute TD varieties that are not in the cp guide. There is a small group of collectors building sets of these by die variety... a VERY small group... one of them might be interested... I suggested you post your coin on the CU forums because at least 3 members there are real TD EXPERTS (not me!): keoj, crypto79, and tradedollarnut. keoj, afaik, is writing a book on Trade dollars, and probably has up to date pop estimates and all sorts of info. My reference was to p.1017 of Bowers' Encyclopedia, Vol. 1
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 Posted 06/08/2010  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list

If this variety wasn't known to exist how do they go about identifying it?
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 Posted 06/08/2010  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
BTW thanks for all the help TD!
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 Posted 06/08/2010  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TDColl to your friends list
The variety is most definitely known to exist, it's just that it isn't acknowledged as "worthy of being published" by most popular texts. Unlike Morgan dollars, for example, Trade dollars have languished in the numismatic backwaters for decades.
Certainly, a variety such as this is easily recognized, as easily as some of the doubled dies or overdates in other series, and is certainly scarce. If it were in the RedBook, or the CP guide, its value would skyrocket. For now, it is of interest to a small group of specialists in the series. That could change, of course.
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 Posted 06/09/2010  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
According to the quote from Walter Breen, it says the highest grade of this variety was an EF example. Looks like this one will be taking 1st place.
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 Posted 06/10/2010  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aladinslamp to your friends list
a real keeper! there will be someone who will apreciate it when you pass it along......nice find!!
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 Posted 06/11/2010  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list
I talked to PCGS and they told me as of now they don't recognize this variety.
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